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Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:33 pm
  • Not sure how I feel about this. Oakland's D was pretty bad underneath him and our D is facing an uncertain level of talent for 2018.



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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:34 pm
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    This would make way too much sense!
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:35 pm
  • Love love LOVE this. Was upset when Norton left. Happy he'll be back with us!
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:36 pm
  • Would love to have Norton back, but I would also love not to lose Richard. Co-coordinator roles might be good, since they both bring something different to the defense.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:39 pm
  • Didn't they choose Richard over Norton when Quinn left? What changed? It's not like Richard has been a failure by any stretch.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:40 pm
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:40 pm
  • Just announced on 950 this is a done deal. Norton Jr. is back.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:41 pm
  • Trrrroy wrote:Didn't they choose Richard over Norton when Quinn left? What changed? It's not like Richard has been a failure by any stretch.


    I think any open minded DC is going to do well under PC. He's a defensive mastermind and can motivate his defenses well.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:42 pm
  • We would be much more aggressive I think and attack the ball and the offense instead of waiting for it to come to us. Which was the success of Quinn.

    We will have to see what happens, Schotty still isn't official, until it's a signed deal all of this is just speculation still, we will hear about the new O line coach next, there are some good ones out there with all the firings as part of staffs and former HC guys.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:43 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:We would be much more aggressive I think and attack the ball and the offense instead of waiting for it to come to us. Which was the success of Quinn.

    We will have to see what happens, Schotty still isn't official, until it's a signed deal all of this is just speculation still, we will hear about the new O line coach next, there are some good ones out there with all the firings as part of staffs and former HC guys.


    Out of morbid curiosity, I would love to see what this team would look like if they were built to run and control the clock and crush people on the defensive front.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:45 pm
  • Wut I thought SF signed him??

    My impression was he's a great leader and inspirational. Also read comments from raiders fans that Del Rio was meddling with the D and Norton couldn't do exactly what he wanted. Some D players felt that way and were pissed he got fired as a scapegoat, namely Irvin.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:49 pm
  • I don’t think I really understand this. Everything I’ve read is that the Oakland defense was a LOT better after he was fired.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:50 pm
  • I was really disappointed when Norton left because he was such a big presence as a disciplinarian and motivator of men. He complements Carroll's analytical and supportive style.

    Still, I would love to keep Richard if possible. He's one of the best secondary coaches in NFL history.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:52 pm
  • Norton should have been the DC when Quinn left. I approve this message.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:56 pm
  • WmHBonney wrote:Norton should have been the DC when Quinn left. I approve this message.


    +1

    Now if only we can find a OL coach that makes sense. I'm assuming there will be some big pressers this week?
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:58 pm


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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:59 pm
  • I hope this is true.

    I suggested Norton in another thread but a poster said San Fran had signed him but Seattle can somehow nab him, he belongs with Seattle.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:00 pm
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:00 pm
  • Wow the Jackals are swarming, Puppet for a OC and a Puppet for the DC by what is being said everywhere, this is really going to be interesting going forward.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:00 pm
  • Bad defensive coordinator. Raiders were much better after he got fired...
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:02 pm


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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:06 pm
  • LOVE IT!!!!
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:07 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:


    LOL. Screw you, Shanahan. You better score some points because your defense is going to be poop.

    :irishdrinkers:
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:13 pm
  • I like what SF is doing so if they wanted Ken, that's a good sign.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:25 pm
  • Sigh... really? This is a trade down. I know many of you like him, but his defenses were not good in Oakland and certainly not better than Seattle's.

    I'm disappointed that Kris may be fired for a dude coming from an awful defense. Unless this is about something internal and not x's & o's or play calling then I don't get this move.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:30 pm
  • LolaRox wrote:Sigh... really? This is a trade down. I know many of you like him, but his defenses were not good in Oakland and certainly not better than Seattle's.

    I'm disappointed that Kris may be fired for a dude coming from an awful defense.


    Oakland has nowhere near the amount of defensive talent that the 'Hawks have.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:30 pm
  • No one will be happier about this than Bobby Wagner. Expect his best year yet.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:30 pm
  • I love this hire..
    Norton will bring a fire to the D as the players respect him.
    I am ready to watch the Hawks right now dammit.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:31 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:No one will be happier about this than Bobby Wagner.


    I bet Ken Norton is :)
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:32 pm
  • But did they follow the Rooney rule? :)
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:41 pm
  • I like his intensity and passion.

    Knows the team, knows the scheme — I imagine he will be able to execute Pete’s plan on game day, while also actually holding dudes accountable during the week.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:42 pm
  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:No one will be happier about this than Bobby Wagner.


    I bet Ken Norton is :)


    I really don't know about that. They had a really tight relationship even though Norton was pretty hard on him, but for good reason. Norton knew his ceiling was higher than anyone else and pushed him continually and despite the toughness, Wagner was admittedly sad to see him go.

    This will be Norton and Wagner's defense going forward and that's the way it should be. All other players on the team need to get used to that right now. I'm a huge proponent of teams behaving like teams, but the Earl Thomas complete and utter crap of a fiasco showed that this defense really needs a proper direction or his sorry arse can go to Cleveland.

    The icing on the cake would be for Kam to come back so the continuity between Wagner and Kam from front to back can be there again, but even if not, I like where this is heading.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:43 pm
  • I like where' it's heading too! Norton has developed some Beasts.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:47 pm
  • Should have been the choice in 2015.

    I know things didn’t work out in Oakland, but his familiarity here, along with a more aggressive approach than Richard will make this unit better. Injuries aside, we let a lot of mediocre quarterbacks get the best of us in recent years, which NEVER happened under Dan Quinn.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:49 pm
  • LolaRox wrote:Sigh... really? This is a trade down. I know many of you like him, but his defenses were not good in Oakland and certainly not better than Seattle's.

    I'm disappointed that Kris may be fired for a dude coming from an awful defense. Unless this is about something internal and not x's & o's or play calling then I don't get this move.


    This may be about getting the D players back in line. They tuned our Richard, and Ken will definitely command their respect and make these guys toe the line.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:51 pm
  • I just don't see how you can compare "after this guy left his team did x"...look at Jacksonville. Does that mean that the entire staff was holding the team back for a full couple years?

    I'm jacked and pumped about Norton. Richard never struck me as having the respect of the Defensive guys. So whatever.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:52 pm
  • Richard and Carroll have similar supportive coaching styles. Norton gives the defense a first lieutenant who can keep the players in line as they seek to accomplish their mission.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:55 pm
  • hawknation2018 wrote:Richard and Carroll have similar supportive coaching styles. Norton gives the defense a first lieutenant who can keep the players in line as they seek to accomplish their mission.


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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:57 pm
  • I love this. I really, really do. I just have a feeling he's going to be AWESOME for us. I don't know how, I don't know why, I just feel it...I know that won't satisfy you X's and O's guys but I freaking LOVE this signing.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:57 pm
  • KitsapGuy wrote:


    Bucky Brooks rated Andy Dalton higher than Russell Wilson few seasons ago. Move on.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:59 pm
  • Aros wrote:I love this. I really, really do. I just have a feeling he's going to be AWESOME for us. I don't know how, I don't know why, I just feel it...I know that won't satisfy you X's and O's guys but I freaking LOVE this signing.


    I'm with you brother! I can't wait to see what changes he makes. I want that chip on the shoulder again.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:21 pm
  • So Schottenheimer is a terrible hire because his offenses have been bad, but Norton is a great hire despite his defenses being bad. This board cracks me up at times.

    In the end it's new blood and new ideas and hopefully the players will respond, because in the end it's on the players.

    TBH, as long as we can develop a decent OL that can run and pass block to above average standards, we'll be a good team. That's been the refrain going back to 2016. Don't really care who the coordinators are. If we can't get the OL to perform better then no coordinator is going to raise this team from the dead.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:23 pm
  • Ace_Rimmer wrote:
    LolaRox wrote:Sigh... really? This is a trade down. I know many of you like him, but his defenses were not good in Oakland and certainly not better than Seattle's.

    I'm disappointed that Kris may be fired for a dude coming from an awful defense. Unless this is about something internal and not x's & o's or play calling then I don't get this move.


    This may be about getting the D players back in line. They tuned our Richard, and Ken will definitely command their respect and make these guys toe the line.


    They turned on Richard? What evidence do you have of that or that they don't respect him?

    If you're (and others) are saying Ken seems more fiery and 'in your face' than Kris, I would agree from the outside it seems that way, but that doesn't have anything to do with players being out of line or not respecting Kris.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:38 pm
  • Mad Dog wrote:So Schottenheimer is a terrible hire because his offenses have been bad, but Norton is a great hire despite his defenses being bad. This board cracks me up at times.

    In the end it's new blood and new ideas and hopefully the players will respond, because in the end it's on the players.

    TBH, as long as we can develop a decent OL that can run and pass block to above average standards, we'll be a good team. That's been the refrain going back to 2016. Don't really care who the coordinators are. If we can't get the OL to perform better then no coordinator is going to raise this team from the dead.



    Seahawks D coordinator is a unique job, just as the Raiders was. Del Rio and Carroll are both defensive coaches, so whoever works under them doesn't have the same responsibility that most D coordinators do. It's like an offensive coordinator working under Holmgren or Sean Payton --- you know who's ultimately responsible for the offense there, so it's hard to judge just how much the OC contributes to things.


    Pete has a whole lot better track record as a defensive coach than Del Rio... so we are always going to be ok there. He's put together some of the best defenses in NFL history, especially when it comes to DB's. Del Rio? Meh... he's an average to above average defensive coach, so I'm not surprised at Norton's lack of success in Oakland.

    I don't know who Ken Norton is as a coordinator. Is he as bad as he was in Oakland as DC or as good as he was as a LB coach here in Seattle?

    I guess we'll find out.

    Let's just hope that he's more Dan Quinn than he is Nick Holt....
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:46 pm
  • WOW! Now THIS is a bit of a surprise for me! (but a pleasant one for my part). I know that people are going to be down on him due to his experiences in Oakland ... but I for one was not happy when Norton left. I LOVE the attitude -- the FIRE that this guy brings. He was a real asset when he was here IMO.

    I know that some may blow this off ... but for me, a lot of success whether we're talking about coaching staffs ... or the players themselves ... depends upon chemistry. Is there a good chemistry that exists? Do coaches and players see eye to eye? Do they have the same (or similar) philosophies? Do they communicate well? Are they a cohesive group?

    As I look at the cast of characters that Pete Carroll has now assembled ... I can honestly say I think so. Norton and Carroll (I think) really do see eye to eye (defense philosophy wise) -- much moreso that Carroll and Richard did. Norton strikes me as a guy who always looks to ATTACK the opponent ... rather than waiting for the opponent to come to him. He dictates to the offense rather than the other way around (which is kind of what I felt often was the case with Richard). I felt Richard was much more reactive ... whereas I see Norton being much more instinctive and predator-like -- taking it to the offense. That attack mode is MUCH more Pete Carroll.

    I DO also feel that the players also like and respect Ken Norton a lot -- that is a major plus.

    So, my preliminary gut reaction to this hire -- I like it. I like it a lot. We'll see if I still like it as much come next December, but for right now, I'm giving this one a thumbs up! Great move IMO. :2thumbs:
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:50 pm
  • Hawkscanner wrote:WOW! Now THIS is a bit of a surprise for me! (but a pleasant one for my part). I know that people are going to be down on him due to his experiences in Oakland ... but I for one was not happy when Norton left. I LOVE the attitude -- the FIRE that this guy brings. He was a real asset when he was here IMO.

    I know that some may blow this off ... but for me, a lot of success whether we're talking about coaching staffs ... or the players themselves ... depends upon chemistry. Is there a good chemistry that exists? Do coaches and players see eye to eye? Do they have the same (or similar) philosophies? Do they communicate well? Are they a cohesive group?

    As I look at the cast of characters that Pete Carroll has now assembled ... I can honestly say I think so. Norton and Carroll (I think) really do see eye to eye (defense philosophy wise) -- much moreso that Carroll and Richard did. Norton strikes me as a guy who always looks to ATTACK the opponent ... rather than waiting for the opponent to come to him. He dictates to the offense rather than the other way around (which is kind of what I felt often was the case with Richard). I felt Richard was much more reactive ... whereas I see Norton being much more instinctive and predator-like -- taking it to the offense. That attack mode is MUCH more Pete Carroll.

    I DO also feel that the players also like and respect Ken Norton a lot -- that is a major plus.

    So, my preliminary gut reaction to this hire -- I like it. I like it a lot. We'll see if I still like it as much come next December, but for right now, I'm giving this one a thumbs up! Great move IMO. :2thumbs:


    Norton and Solari tells me that Pete is getting ready to put some pre-madonna players on notice. Compete or Vacate.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:54 pm
  • vin.couve12 wrote:No one will be happier about this than Bobby Wagner. Expect his best year yet.


    Bobby and KJ have both spoken highly of Ken so I'm sure they'll be glad to have him back in the building. Bobby and KJ also both have had their best years with someone else as their coach :stirthepot:
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:56 pm
  • Now draft some more young linebackers and coach em up. I truly believe Norton was the best positional coach Carroll ever had. He made Pro-bowl quality LB...Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright. Norton was so-so as a coordinator, but really he is an ideal LB coach.
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:58 pm
  • With the greater emphasis of QB's changing calls at the LOS, the X's and O's of moves and counter-moves are of the utmost importance now.

    Based on his (poor?) history as a DC, is he up for this very important and complex job?
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Re: Ken Norton Jr. as DC after all?
Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:08 pm
  • chet380 wrote:With the greater emphasis of QB's changing calls at the LOS, the X's and O's of moves and counter-moves are of the utmost importance now.

    Based on his (poor?) history as a DC, is he up for this very important and complex job?


    PC runs notoriously simple defensive schemes. This is why his DCs tend to look really good. They can work on fundamentals and player development.
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