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  • TwistedHusky wrote:I think part of it is the belief there is an Anti-RW faction.

    There was a faction that supported Lynch and a faction that supported RW. Not just fans, but players.

    However, few were anti-RW.

    I would point out my issues with him, that still exist, but it was more the understanding that moving to focus on winning with RW was going to destroy our system that worked, exhaust our defense and force us into a position that made us a worse offense with a less reliable defense.

    That happened.

    Lynch was hurt often but he played and he would have carried us to at least 1 more SB.

    So driving Lynch off to push Wilson into the spotlight as THE GUY, was going to have consequences. It did.

    Wilson is good, sometimes even great. But when Wilson was at his best, we squeaked into the playoffs because of a missed FG and were then shelled in the next game.

    Wilson at his best cannot currently carry this team by himself past the wildcard round.

    But sure enough, we traded Unger - brought in some shiny new weapons for Wilson, and promptly set records for futility on offense that had stood for decades before we broke them.

    It isn't that Wilson is bad or even not great, but our team was built to work with certain pieces doing certain things. Without a RB to exhaust the opposing defense and keep our defense fresh, we saw a series of cascading failures.

    Maybe in a different system with different coaches, Wilson could excel in the playoffs. But Aaron Rodgers is a stellar QB and isn't able to. Few QBs can do it alone. Wilson included.

    If you point this out, you are 'anti-Wilson'.

    I would definitely agree that there's this blood in, blood out mentality with Wilson. It's like that with a lot of hoomans even if it's a subject that has no importance what so ever, such as worshiping a football player. It tends to varry with education or lack there of, however. Again, just like a lot of other subjects, but education also isn't a substitute for critical thinking either.
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  • Wilson isn't what I consider Polarizing, he is so Vanilla that Vanilla is suing him.

    As a player and the fan base he is irritating just because nobody is that positive and upbeat after a loss and getting your ass handed to you.

    Now Polarizing is Brian Bosworth.
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  • Michael Bennett is far more polarizing.
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  • Do the people calling RW a bum watch other QBs, or remember previous Seahawks QBs? Man, we finally find a legit franchise QB, and people want to run him out of town after a 9-7 season.

    Some of the stuff people are spewing as an argument for why he is terrible and/or should be traded, it’s like listening to the flat earth folks.
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  • Calling Russ a bum is proof of knowing absolutely nothing about football.
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  • TwistedHusky wrote:I think part of it is the belief there is an Anti-RW faction.

    There was a faction that supported Lynch and a faction that supported RW. Not just fans, but players.

    However, few were anti-RW.

    I would point out my issues with him, that still exist, but it was more the understanding that moving to focus on winning with RW was going to destroy our system that worked, exhaust our defense and force us into a position that made us a worse offense with a less reliable defense.

    That happened.

    Lynch was hurt often but he played and he would have carried us to at least 1 more SB.

    So driving Lynch off to push Wilson into the spotlight as THE GUY, was going to have consequences. It did.

    Wilson is good, sometimes even great. But when Wilson was at his best, we squeaked into the playoffs because of a missed FG and were then shelled in the next game.

    Wilson at his best cannot currently carry this team by himself past the wildcard round.

    But sure enough, we traded Unger - brought in some shiny new weapons for Wilson, and promptly set records for futility on offense that had stood for decades before we broke them.

    It isn't that Wilson is bad or even not great, but our team was built to work with certain pieces doing certain things. Without a RB to exhaust the opposing defense and keep our defense fresh, we saw a series of cascading failures.

    Maybe in a different system with different coaches, Wilson could excel in the playoffs. But Aaron Rodgers is a stellar QB and isn't able to. Few QBs can do it alone. Wilson included.

    If you point this out, you are 'anti-Wilson'.

    Lynch was hurt often but he played and he would have carried us to at least 1 more SB.

    Right, just like he carried the Raiders to the super bowl. The Seahawks were done with Lynch and his power plays and antics that were undermining the team. Plus Lynch was obviously no longer the running back he was.
    We moved on at the right time or maybe a year late.
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  • With the anti-russ crowd I'm strictly talking people who still think he is a game manager and isn't that good. He to them is a top 12-15 QB and no matter how the hawks lose its all his fault. (Brady, arod, Bree's, big Ben,etc would of won that gm)

    To the all Russ fans who think he is a walking god. Russ is 10-21 0 TDs, 2ints. Russ was great today, it was bev or wrs or o line.

    I see both groups alot. Maybe social media is the reason I feel like this as well.

    Russ does a lot with little IMO( I think the wrs minus Baldwin are #3 to #4s) but Russ also hurts the o line at times and misses basic throws.

    Russ is a top 5 QB to me. Is he the best? No. Is he the worst? No. Heck he isn't even a 10-12 QB.

    The greatest thing in sports is debates. QB rating doesn't matter to the anti Russ crowd when he was in 100s, but does when his QB rating is low. Qbr doesn't matter to the pro Russ crowd but does when his qbr is high.
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  • Would love to see a solid line in front of him. Along w/play calling that calls for check downs, shorter passing game, more screen passes etc. And a solid Fullback in front of him. We need him more relaxed back there and not always running for his life. He certainly has things to improve on, I suspect he will get better at certain things.
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  • One of the things that bugs the living hell out of me is what people would like to see for the sole purposes of Russell Wilson or trying to prove something on behalf of Russell Wilson.

    Damn the team, let's make it about one guy.

    That's what I hear. It's hero worship that undermines the Seattle Seahawks as a team.

    The irony is that with a balanced offense, the Seahawks are more effective on offense because there is a multidimensional approacg instead of one dimensional. RW buys half of a second of time in the pocket by default strictly because the defense has to honor the run by reading run vs pass.

    You literally make RW a less effective, less efficient QB by worshiping him so much that you want to prove RW's lordship even if forsaking the greater offense.

    RW will never win another superbowl if fans get their way in celebrating his holy lordship. The psycho idiot cult fans see that statement as a slight, but I guarantee you that Elway would be ringless without Terrell Davis, for instance. Watched that dude choke out of the playoffs for years until Davis got there. He was never going to be a champion, which is hilarious to me considering what he acts like now, in particular.

    What I see is a lot of people who really don't know football all that well and people who almost can't not worship things.
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  • Lordship? Worship? Meh. He's just one of the best QB's in the league who literally carries the team often. He can and will perform better in the future. They need him to take it next level just to win under this current roster and coaching staff. Comments like yours just sound like you're talking down to people. And they show how much you truly don't like Russ, and that's fine. Is it really important to tell people they don't know about football and/or put them down? So, if we don't put the guy down every game and/or take personal shots at him. Or shots or anyone who believes in the guy, you feel better to just act like you know more than anyone who sticks up for Russ? Just curious.
    Why does it bother you so much how other people see Russ?
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:What I see is a lot of people who really don't know football all that well and people who almost can't not worship things.


    Your contributions to .net seem to increasingly revolve around only you and you alone possessing this esoteric insight.

    Can you...I don't know...do better? You want me to help?
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Lordship? Worship? Meh. He's just one of the best QB's in the league who literally carries the team often. He can and will perform better in the future. They need him to take it next level just to win under this current roster and coaching staff. Comments like yours just sound like you're talking down to people. And they show how much you truly don't like Russ, and that's fine. Is it really important to tell people they don't know about football and/or put them down? So, if we don't put the guy down every game and/or take personal shots at him. Or shots or anyone who believes in the guy, you feel better to just act like you know more than anyone who sticks up for Russ? Just curious.
    Why does it bother you so much how other people see Russ?

    Exhibit A right here talking about how I don't like Russ. It's not about Russ. It's regarding lies about the QB position in general. Glad you used the word belief because it has nothing to do with that, which is why Elway was relevant. "Believing" in a player means absolutely nothing. It's the ultimate team sport.
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  • mrt144 wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:What I see is a lot of people who really don't know football all that well and people who almost can't not worship things.


    Your contributions to .net seem to increasingly revolve around only you and you alone possessing this esoteric insight.

    Can you...I don't know...do better? You want me to help?

    This particular subject...yeah, it isn't sacred to me and I'll take a dump all over it. Overrated first round picks too.
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  • G'head though. I'll stay out and y'all keep talking about running the Hawks into the gound just to prove something for one guy. RW will have a better career if it's not all about him, but go right on ahead...
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:One of the things that bugs the living hell out of me is what people would like to see for the sole purposes of Russell Wilson or trying to prove something on behalf of Russell Wilson.

    Damn the team, let's make it about one guy.

    That's what I hear. It's hero worship that undermines the Seattle Seahawks as a team.

    The irony is that with a balanced offense, the Seahawks are more effective on offense because there is a multidimensional approacg instead of one dimensional. RW buys half of a second of time in the pocket by default strictly because the defense has to honor the run by reading run vs pass.

    You literally make RW a less effective, less efficient QB by worshiping him so much that you want to prove RW's lordship even if forsaking the greater offense.

    RW will never win another superbowl if fans get their way in celebrating his holy lordship. The psycho idiot cult fans see that statement as a slight, but I guarantee you that Elway would be ringless without Terrell Davis, for instance. Watched that dude choke out of the playoffs for years until Davis got there. He was never going to be a champion, which is hilarious to me considering what he acts like now, in particular.

    What I see is a lot of people who really don't know football all that well and people who almost can't not worship things.


    I'm here quite frequently, I've yet to see a forum poster or fan say that he/she hates having a balanced offense and a good run game again.

    I don't care how good your QB is, it's very hard to win being one dimensional.
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  • Shanegotyou11 wrote:Any place I go or read....


    It's rw is a god or rw is a bum.




    Because he truly is one or the other. Look at his stats Q1 vs Q4. Or hell even look at his end game stats in games won vs games lost. There's no middle ground with his play. If he finds ways to improve on his "glaring weaknesses" he will be unquestionable as a future HOFer. If his backyard football god-mode play diminishes with age, then his critics are right that he is a bum that survives off of "luck".

    If there is ONE thing I would like to see more of from all aspects of our Hawks (outside of Bevell's offensive game plans) it's consistency.
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  • Frank Clark before he even played here = most polarizing
    Percy Harvin = most polarizing

    In hindsight, Bosworth was more hella funny than polarizing.
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  • Harvin begat this ridiculous argument when he labeled Russell as being “Too white"... A racist sounding comment for sure but his resentment of Russ goes all the way back to their high school days in Virginia.
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  • Just saw a stat on ESPN showing Tom Brady is 6-6 in recent years when pressured more than 5 times. His numbers dip drastically when he gets pressured. Shows just how idiotic at times the Russ criticism is
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  • Wow, if Lord Brady is 6-6 w/a little pressure........how would he be behind THIS line? :?
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  • brimsalabim wrote:Harvin begat this ridiculous argument when he labeled Russell as being “Too white"... A racist sounding comment for sure but his resentment of Russ goes all the way back to their high school days in Virginia.


    I doubt Harvin started that train of thought. I think he was just a mouthpiece for that train of thought.

    Russ just never related to the guys on the SB teams.
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  • Why do you doubt it? Did you ever hear that sentiment spoken before the former public school inner city virginia kid arrived to play for the former Virginia private school star? No you didn't. Percy planted those seeds. He labeled Russell as an enemy of the black players, ginned it up and the race baiting bunch in the locker room clung to it. Never related? Go back and look at some film. No one relates the Lynch or Percy. Some tolerate them but no one relates to them.
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  • Yeah all that time Lynch and Sherman spend together for inner City kids must be for media promos.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Wow, if Lord Brady is 6-6 w/a little pressure........how would he be behind THIS line? :?


    A measely 5 times huh.

    Welcome to RW's world where he is pressured on nearly 40% of his dropbacks. 40%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is truly miraculous RW can function at an MVP level behind that O-Line, and he has to be his own running game as well. I think most people around the league, let alone fans are not truly aware of how much Russ has been masking how bad it has been.

    A lot of the mediots & fans were saying Dak was better than RW after one year, until his O-Line had some injuries this year, then they Homer Simpson'd back into the hedge.gif

    What Russell did this year I have never seen before in 30 years of watching NFL football. Function at an MVP level w/the worst protection, no running game, and terrible gameplans. That is a lot to overcome.

    Most QBs would just be thankful that made it through all 16 games and survived given the circumstances.

    QBs suck when they are under constant pressure. No matter who it is.

    So that is what is polarizing I guess is.
    Casual fans be like "Why isn't RW making the perfect play every time, inspite of being under constant pressure, with his receivers blanketed, and no running game, what a scrub, Overrated!"

    Yes, Russ still has things he needs to improve on, but that is small potatoes compared to the major issues, which is the O-Line & the running game. Which PCJS are currently focusing on.
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  • SixSeahawk wrote:
    brimsalabim wrote:Harvin begat this ridiculous argument when he labeled Russell as being “Too white"... A racist sounding comment for sure but his resentment of Russ goes all the way back to their high school days in Virginia.


    I doubt Harvin started that train of thought. I think he was just a mouthpiece for that train of thought.

    Russ just never related to the guys on the SB teams.


    It came from Harvin without question.

    To say Russ never related to "guys on the SB teams" is just sad and pathetic hate. I thought you had your own Wilson hate thread with pictures and all to attend to?
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Just saw a stat on ESPN showing Tom Brady is 6-6 in recent years when pressured more than 5 times. His numbers dip drastically when he gets pressured. Shows just how idiotic at times the Russ criticism is


    My guess is most QB's in the NFL are even worse than this.

    My only criticism of Russell is I think he hesitates and doesn't trust his reads as often as he should. Since 2015 he has less and less scripted play completions.........................meaning he's no longer throwing to windows trusting his reads and receivers to come open, and more relying on his scrambling and making sure the receiver is wide open.

    Not surprising, he's also been under pressure, hit and sacked more. So makes sense that this stat is WAY down.
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  • I like Russell Wilson and I admire his positive spin on almost everything. That said I do find it (his attitude) irritating. I mean does the guy ever get down? Does he ever feel depressed? Is that normal?
    We've all know people like that in our lives and we used to call them "goody two shoes" or something to that effect.
    I have a hunch Russell's mom and dad raised him that way. They were probably that way. Good for them. Frankly I wish I could be more like that.
    I think his attitude is why some people just don't like the guy, his kind of guy. We're jealous.
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  • Don't know, don't care about all the personal stuff...
    All I really know is that Russell is the best damned QB this forever Seahawk fan has gotten to watch, period.
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  • I never really noticed the "rah-rah" attitude from him until after the SB loss and he's maintained that attitude throughout.....

    and the team's done progressively worse every year since.
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  • Polarizing.

    Russ has folk questioning all kinds of aspects of their OWN lives :lol:



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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    Scorpion05 wrote:Just saw a stat on ESPN showing Tom Brady is 6-6 in recent years when pressured more than 5 times. His numbers dip drastically when he gets pressured. Shows just how idiotic at times the Russ criticism is


    My guess is most QB's in the NFL are even worse than this.

    My only criticism of Russell is I think he hesitates and doesn't trust his reads as often as he should. Since 2015 he has less and less scripted play completions.........................meaning he's no longer throwing to windows trusting his reads and receivers to come open, and more relying on his scrambling and making sure the receiver is wide open.

    Not surprising, he's also been under pressure, hit and sacked more. So makes sense that this stat is WAY down.



    Perhaps, but the actual numbers show Russell is better than Brady under pressure. Sure Brady is great, but many Qbs can function when there's no pressure in their face. That's the point. I know so many people who are Dolphins and Jets fans....and they've always felt he's overrated because he has all day to throw. When he gets pressured, he folds like a cheap tent. Just like he did against the Jets in the playoffs years ago, just as he's done against the Chiefs, just as he's done against the Dolphins. People come up with generic reasons for why Brady is so great rather than watching film. Unlike Russ, he CANNOT handle pressure
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  • brimsalabim wrote:Why do you doubt it? Did you ever hear that sentiment spoken before the former public school inner city virginia kid arrived to play for the former Virginia private school star? No you didn't. Percy planted those seeds. He labeled Russell as an enemy of the black players, ginned it up and the race baiting bunch in the locker room clung to it. Never related? Go back and look at some film. No one relates the Lynch or Percy. Some tolerate them but no one relates to them.


    "Race baiting" is a simplistic form of it. Unfortunately, it's a dynamic that exists that many Americans of all races buy into in different ways. Reminds me of the Russ vs Kaep, Russ vs Cam, McNabb vs Vick dynamic where you have two Qbs of completely different personality types that some relate to or despise for different reasons
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  • brimsalabim wrote:Why do you doubt it? Did you ever hear that sentiment spoken before the former public school inner city virginia kid arrived to play for the former Virginia private school star? No you didn't. Percy planted those seeds. He labeled Russell as an enemy of the black players, ginned it up and the race baiting bunch in the locker room clung to it. Never related? Go back and look at some film. No one relates the Lynch or Percy. Some tolerate them but no one relates to them.


    Marshawn Lynch owned this team and was the leader of this team.

    Countless current and former players have attested to this in public interviews. They tolerate Russ.

    Stop confusing YOUR ability to relate to him with actual players :lol:
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  • I’d say that title belongs to Richard Sherman, and it will be a long time before anybody takes that title away from him. :D
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  • Scorpion05 wrote:Just saw a stat on ESPN showing Tom Brady is 6-6 in recent years when pressured more than 5 times. His numbers dip drastically when he gets pressured. Shows just how idiotic at times the Russ criticism is


    Uhhh I'm not sure about that. Please post a link if you can find it. This is what I got when searching for Brady under pressure.



    Brady was the best QB under pressure this year by far.

    Also vin, who was calling for Russ to carry the offense with no run game? I'd like to see if someone did. Blaming him for us squeaking by the Vikes seems unfair, they played that game in some of the worst conditions of all time for an NFL game.

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