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Offense Relying On Longball Success
Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:52 pm
  • It seems that once we are driving and in the midfield area, we abandon the 6 to 7 yd passing game and go boom or bust on the deep ball. We've had some success with it, but it's a pretty low percentage approach to go to it so much. And I don't mean 4th quarter shots downfield when we are behind and really have no choice. This part of the field is where the play calling is a head scratcher.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:09 pm
  • I don't get it either. The obvious answer is a combination of an unbalanced offense and as mentioned- it does work, sometimes.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:18 pm
  • It's hard to say without being able to see the entire field, but I wonder how much is due to the routes of the play call or Russell forgoing anything thing short/intermediate to throw that deep ball. I suspect it's more play call than Russell most of the time but not always.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:18 pm
  • OrangeGravy wrote:It's hard to say without being able to see the entire field, but I wonder how much is due to the routes of the play call or Russell forgoing anything thing short/intermediate to throw that deep ball. I suspect it's more play call than Russell most of the time but not always.


    the announces said there were alot of time the nly routes run were go routes. On the 2 ints to Baldwin- the one in the endzone would have been a TD if he does not fal/get pulled dow. On the other one I would rewatch it and explain why Doug slowed down, then why he turned the wrong way. If he does nto slow dowb or turn the wrong way he gets the ball or gets pass interference. Combine these 2 with the running out of bounds shoort of the 1st down and Doug played bad.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:00 am
  • timmat wrote:It seems that once we are driving and in the midfield area, we abandon the 6 to 7 yd passing game and go boom or bust on the deep ball. We've had some success with it, but it's a pretty low percentage approach to go to it so much. And I don't mean 4th quarter shots downfield when we are behind and really have no choice. This part of the field is where the play calling is a head scratcher.

    I agree. It's frustrating when they're on 3rd and 8 and he tosses it 40 yards downfield. :34853_doh:
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:11 am
  • Announcers were saying yesterday that there just weren't a lot of underneath or mid options for Wilson - everything was deep. If that's true, this game joins the Tampa and Washington games as examples of - well, I don't know. But something. Because those games had this problem, too.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:15 am
  • sutz wrote:
    timmat wrote:It seems that once we are driving and in the midfield area, we abandon the 6 to 7 yd passing game and go boom or bust on the deep ball. We've had some success with it, but it's a pretty low percentage approach to go to it so much. And I don't mean 4th quarter shots downfield when we are behind and really have no choice. This part of the field is where the play calling is a head scratcher.

    I agree. It's frustrating when they're on 3rd and 8 and he tosses it 40 yards downfield. :34853_doh:


    That 3rd pick that Wilson gets so much criticism for was on 2nd and 17 and was intercepted at the 2 yard line. If he just throws two incomplete passes and Ryan punts it to the 2 we'd be thrilled. Of course the defense went and gave up a 7 minute scoring drive...
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:29 am
  • This is a PC thing....PC loves explosive plays. He's so infatuated with the deep ball and it's now become focus of the offense. This is like a basketball team living off 3 pointers. When they're hot it's good but when they aren't it's really bad. It was really bad for about 3 quarters yesterday.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:48 am
  • They have to have some intermediate concepts while still have some vertical options. Seattle runs almost all vertical concepts with no outlets. Bevell/Pete are dangerously close to running an offense on par with the Rams last year in it's elementary concepts and Sioux will tell me that's impossble but it's not and Pete has even admitted as much. They rely on their guys just beating the other guy and they are horrible at scheming wrs open.

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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:51 am
  • More evidence that this coaching staff has too much of a hangup with this:





    We didn't rely on the deep ball against the Eagles. We put a variety of passing options out there, relied on timing throws...and Russ took what was there.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:24 am
  • They were doing the same thing when Bates was OC too. This is Pete Carroll issue not just Bevell. I remember countless 3rd/4th and short where they were throwing it deep. PC loves these things and when it doesn't work it hurts the team. He wants a power game but likes everything that is exactly the opposite of a power game.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:48 am
  • It seems like this game combined with Washington show that neither Bevell or RW respects opposing DB units, at all.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:12 am
  • Way too many long passes. Unless someone is one on one and open, enough of the throwing up for grabs crap.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:15 am
  • I agree about the long passes. They must have seen something in film and got baited

    That said, although it may not seem that way apparently Jalen Ramsey had his second worst game against us. Allowed more yards than usual
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:28 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:I agree about the long passes. They must have seen something in film and got baited

    That said, although it may not seem that way apparently Jalen Ramsey had his second worst game against us. Allowed more yards than usual

    Probably due to the two long TD passes in the 4th.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:30 am
  • Both had guys wide open, which is obviously the time to do it. I just feel like Russ is falling in love with the long pass in to coverage. He's better than that and we all know it, and he knows it. You don't have to get it all in one play. You can also chip away and take what the D is giving you. Which also helps keep that time of possession more even.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:17 am
  • Scorpion05 wrote:I agree about the long passes. They must have seen something in film and got baited

    That said, although it may not seem that way apparently Jalen Ramsey had his second worst game against us. Allowed more yards than usual


    I think it’s this more than anything about how they run their route trees.

    If they see something in film that they feel gives them a opportunity to get chunk plays they install those plays in the game plan. When the defense lines up in this particular way, they run this particular route tree.

    Conversely the defensive coaches do the same thing, and try to make the offense run plays they want by disguising their defenses.

    Sometimes the offense wins, sometimes the defense wins, but chunk plays are always good whether they be run opportunities or pass.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:21 pm
  • The jags inexplicably blew coverage after coverage late so there was something to the idea you could make them pay for aggressive scheme.

    Pass pro held up well, looking long wouldn't have been so bad had russ not threw into tight or double coverage twice. The Graham pick he was baited into by a great play, the other two idk wtf he was looking at.
    Towards the end of the game I began to shield my eyes whenever he looked long, but the outcome near the end was way better.
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Re: Offense Relying On Longball Success
Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:00 pm
  • IDK
    Perhaps they thought they could take advantage of their safeties with two or three deep WR’s or they felt their corners bite underneath (like Grahams INT).

    Without knowing what the Hawks were trying to exploit it makes it hard to tell if they just underestimated their advantage or Jax changed their coverage.

    Either way they did have some shots, that just didn’t work out, the Baldwin INT comes to mind off the top of my head.
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