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The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:20 pm
  • What a crock, man. We all heard leading up to the game about how the coaches just "love Thomas" and "Thomas looked great against Washington" and "we're going to ride Thomas". Thomas this and Thomas that. 10 carries? Really? In a game where Seattle had the lead throughout, you only give the guy you say you're going to ride 10 carries. I don't care if 9 of those carries didn't produce anything, you feed your back! Something HAS to change with the run game. Pete and his two cronies need to commit to it. Rawls had a great 23 yard gain on a crucial 3rd down, and he only gets two carries after. Come on. Gains like that can kickstart a stagnant run game. Let him get his rhythm. Let him and the line gel. Look, I've already written off Rawls long ago, but they need something, anything at this point. Lacy isn't it. JD is not a feature back. Rawls has at least shown dominance.

    Especially now more than ever, this team needs to find a running game. The defense looks to be in big, big trouble. If this team can't find a good balance of run and pass with the state of this defense, they'll be hard pressed to reach their goals.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:21 pm
  • The Oline just isnt good enough to have a good run game. RB doesnt matter at this point. The O-line just isn't good enough. They are out matched. Badly.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:23 pm
  • Yup, they just came out and started passing. Not even quick passes, which would've been great, they went back to that long developing nonsense when the line clearly can't protect.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:25 pm
  • The problem is when they find something that works they abandon it to try something cute.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:26 pm
  • Just keep running every 1st or 2nd down. Maybe gain 0 every now and then, 2-3 other times. That's fine. 2nd and 8 beats 2nd and 10. Keep the defense honest, it's basic football.

    I actually thought it was working ok today. Russ had more time on the playaction passes, plus he can roll out like crazy on those plays.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:27 pm
  • Crizilla wrote:The Oline just isnt good enough to have a good run game. RB doesnt matter at this point. The O-line just isn't good enough. They are out matched. Badly.

    Chris Carson sure looked good, and that was behind a more inferior line than the current line. I don't buy it. Sorry. I know Carson was a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:35 pm
  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:The Oline just isnt good enough to have a good run game. RB doesnt matter at this point. The O-line just isn't good enough. They are out matched. Badly.

    Chris Carson sure looked good, and that was behind a more inferior line than the current line. I don't buy it. Sorry. I know Carson was a small sample size, but the numbers don't lie.


    Even if the oline isnt the problem which is pretty ridiculous, Rawls is clearly not Carson and had a bad game save 1 run. Hitting on one run doesnt outweight a 2.7 ypc where the other 9 were utter garbage.

    Mckissic had a great pitch outside. You dont see a lot of that but its there and it isnt used. He had a few stuffed runs inside.

    This line is part of the problem and Cable has no answers with current personnell at OL or RB.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:38 pm
  • minormillikin wrote:Just keep running every 1st or 2nd down. Maybe gain 0 every now and then, 2-3 other times. That's fine. 2nd and 8 beats 2nd and 10. Keep the defense honest, it's basic football.

    I actually thought it was working ok today. Russ had more time on the playaction passes, plus he can roll out like crazy on those plays.


    2nd and 8 isnt great when a 5 or 10 yard penalty happens on that down. You guys are asking for the team to do something it is apprently bad at in the hopes it will eventually work. Sure we need a run game, the current designs of runs arent cutting it with the players we have.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:48 pm
  • mrt144 wrote:
    minormillikin wrote:Just keep running every 1st or 2nd down. Maybe gain 0 every now and then, 2-3 other times. That's fine. 2nd and 8 beats 2nd and 10. Keep the defense honest, it's basic football.

    I actually thought it was working ok today. Russ had more time on the playaction passes, plus he can roll out like crazy on those plays.


    2nd and 8 isnt great when a 5 or 10 yard penalty happens on that down. You guys are asking for the team to do something it is apprently bad at in the hopes it will eventually work. Sure we need a run game, the current designs of runs arent cutting it with the players we have.


    I agree. The penalties are absurd and it doesn't help when about half are random ref calls--the kind that they commonly ignore.

    But today, in a few situations they got into 2nd and medium, followed by 3rd and short. That's an improvement in the run game. Keep that up, combined with Russ' run/pass ability and the offense will stay on the field longer. (and even score a few points)
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:05 pm
  • If you were a Cardinals fan talking about their running game after tonight, what would you be saying tonight? AP was held to nearly 1yd/carry. Is that all on their O-line? AP being old? He torched SF last week. But that wasn't against our D-line and LBers.

    No, we sold out to stop AP today like the Texans did to us. We knew Stanton wouldn't beat us; he's no AaronRod or RW. Teams can do that, you know... sell out to stop the run, and commit 8 to the box or to rushing, and force Russ into some bad throws.
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Re: The running game
Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:16 pm
  • I completely agree OP. I thought when Rawls broke that run he was finally getting into a groove but was never given the chance to build on that. Just asinine play calling, if there was any game to try and jump start the running game this was it. Rawls didn't have to worry about Carson or Lacy looking over his shoulder he could have had the bulk of the workload and try to establish a rhythm but our incompetent OC seemingly took the ball out of his hands just at the time it looked like it might actually pay off. Now Lacy will come back and we'll get another ineffective timeshare where neither guy is effective.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:49 am
  • It's hard to stay with the run when were 2nd and long every time we have the ball. Weather It's a failed run play or penalty or sack it seems like we see more 2nd and 15 then we do 2nd and 5's. We need to give Mike Davis a shot because Rawls ain't the ticket.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:08 am
  • Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:15 am
  • How anybody can want Lacy over Rawls at this point is beyond me. Rawls at least has the ability to break one once in awhile. With Lacy its 1 to 3 yards, rinse and repeat.

    I was also doing a WTF last night in the 2nd half when I didnt see Rawls out there. Its like we completely abandoned the run again except for a few tries with Mckissick gere and there. Mind boggling.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:17 am
  • I was actually ok with them abandoning the run last night. about time they stop trying to be something they clearly are not. im so tired of 2nd and 12 after a 2 yard loss. even 2nd and 8 after one of our "good" runs isn't enough to get the job done.

    the offense will stay on the field longer at least converting a few first downs even if they don't score by throwing instead of the 3 and out trying to run. they just don't have the personnel for it at this time. and Russ having the capability to scramble still keeps the line backers up to help the passing game.

    I do think you need a legit running game to win a championship so it will be very hard to do so. but in the meantime id rather at least get another division crown and playoff appearance by throwing the ball all over the field in the regular season. after all at least you have a chance of winning the SB if your in the playoffs. running the ball we wont even get the chance.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:32 am
  • HE WAS 10 for 27yards and had a 23 yard run. So he was 9 carries for 4 yards on the REST OF HIS RUNS.

    At what point you guys going to take the Rawls blinders off? If you read what any objective person (typically non-seahawks fan thinks its pretty obvious Rawls is dud. The supporters continue to live in 2015. I hope he isn't on the team next year.

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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:38 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.

    Rawls rookie season was pure dominance. Don't act like you don't remember. And no, we don't need Lacy back. He's not going to help. I'm not defending Rawls here, I've said multiple times before that I'm over Rawls. But when the coaching staff says they're going to eliminate a committee approach and ride one guy, they should buckle down and do what they say. Last night was a great opportunity to get the run game going, and they went back to their ridiculous committee. 10 carries is absolutely not "riding one guy".
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:44 am
  • Ad Hawk wrote:If you were a Cardinals fan talking about their running game after tonight, what would you be saying tonight? AP was held to nearly 1yd/carry. Is that all on their O-line? AP being old? He torched SF last week. But that wasn't against our D-line and LBers.

    No, we sold out to stop AP today like the Texans did to us. We knew Stanton wouldn't beat us; he's no AaronRod or RW. Teams can do that, you know... sell out to stop the run, and commit 8 to the box or to rushing, and force Russ into some bad throws.


    Agree.

    Big picture, most of the time the RB won't matter- at least among those on the active roster right now.

    So are teams selling out to stop the run because they know they only need to be concerned with long-developing deeper passes? It almost seems there is something pre-snap tipping off a run play and teams are all over it. Is Ifedi's stance still the "tell"?
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:52 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.


    Even worse -he had 10 carries for 27 yds. He had one run at 23 yards and nine runs at roughly half a yard per run. The line is definitely up for some blame, but if you watch each run, he hesitates and picks the wrong lanes.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:56 am
  • Grahamhawker wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:If you were a Cardinals fan talking about their running game after tonight, what would you be saying tonight? AP was held to nearly 1yd/carry. Is that all on their O-line? AP being old? He torched SF last week. But that wasn't against our D-line and LBers.

    No, we sold out to stop AP today like the Texans did to us. We knew Stanton wouldn't beat us; he's no AaronRod or RW. Teams can do that, you know... sell out to stop the run, and commit 8 to the box or to rushing, and force Russ into some bad throws.


    Agree.

    Big picture, most of the time the RB won't matter- at least among those on the active roster right now.

    So are teams selling out to stop the run because they know they only need to be concerned with long-developing deeper passes? It almost seems there is something pre-snap tipping off a run play and teams are all over it. Is Ifedi's stance still the "tell"?



    There is no tell. The line sucks...
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:15 am
  • On the first play of the game if Rawls follows his blockers to the outside and goes between the tackle to the outside he breaks it for a big game. But he cut it back inside and lost 2 yards. The guy has totally lost it
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:16 am
  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.

    Rawls rookie season was pure dominance. Don't act like you don't remember. .


    He was awesome for an 8 game stretch. He has proven over the last 2 years that was a fluke. Don't act like thats not fact.

    Dustin Ackley was awesome his rookie year for a short stretch..... proved to be a fluke. Same think with Rawls.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:24 am
  • zchurch74 wrote:On the first play of the game if Rawls follows his blockers to the outside and goes between the tackle to the outside he breaks it for a big game. But he cut it back inside and lost 2 yards. The guy has totally lost it


    this, I have no idea what he was cutting back to or what could have possibly went through his mind. and this wasn't a designed cut back run either with the way the blocking was made. after that carry it knew it would be a rough night for the run game.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:08 am
  • I mean this is flat out the worst iv seen our run game, when you haven’t seen a big run all season it gets tiresome watching russ try and pull a rabbit outta the hat every play
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:12 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.


    I disagree completely Rawls is not the answer and neither is Eddie. We need some new backs badly
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:21 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:HE WAS 10 for 27yards and had a 23 yard run. So he was 9 carries for 4 yards on the REST OF HIS RUNS.


    The difference between Lacy and Rawls is that Lacy wouldnt have had that 23 yard run. Its Lacy that wont be on the team next year.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:26 am
  • Grahamhawker wrote:
    Ad Hawk wrote:If you were a Cardinals fan talking about their running game after tonight, what would you be saying tonight? AP was held to nearly 1yd/carry. Is that all on their O-line? AP being old? He torched SF last week. But that wasn't against our D-line and LBers.

    No, we sold out to stop AP today like the Texans did to us. We knew Stanton wouldn't beat us; he's no AaronRod or RW. Teams can do that, you know... sell out to stop the run, and commit 8 to the box or to rushing, and force Russ into some bad throws.


    Agree.

    Big picture, most of the time the RB won't matter- at least among those on the active roster right now.

    So are teams selling out to stop the run because they know they only need to be concerned with long-developing deeper passes? It almost seems there is something pre-snap tipping off a run play and teams are all over it. Is Ifedi's stance still the "tell"?


    I haven't had the time to scout the o-line, but Ifedi basically false starts every play. The only reason it isn't called is because it's a split second before the ball is actually hiked so the refs let it go. He gives away the snap count on a regular basis, I wouldn't be surprised if his stance is tipping the play as well.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:28 am
  • Place the blame solely at the feet of our OL and running game guru. The guy that is in full control of the running game.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:48 am
  • iigakusei wrote:Place the blame solely at the feet of our OL and running game guru. The guy that is in full control of the running game.


    Part of me agrees but part of me says Chris Carson was looking good behind the same OL minus a huge upgrade at LT.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:49 am
  • CJ Spiller is out there I think. He was with us last year for a short stint. Couldn't hurt to bring him in for a look. How would it get any worse, lol
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:53 am
  • getnasty wrote:
    iigakusei wrote:Place the blame solely at the feet of our OL and running game guru. The guy that is in full control of the running game.


    Part of me agrees but part of me says Chris Carson was looking good behind the same OL minus a huge upgrade at LT.


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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:54 am
  • Crizilla wrote:The Oline just isnt good enough to have a good run game. RB doesnt matter at this point. The O-line just isn't good enough. They are out matched. Badly.


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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:00 am
  • The coaches couldn't have liked what they saw out of Rawls very much because they gave a bunch of his second half snaps to McKissic instead.

    I know it's important to ignore the enemy defense in these sort of discussions, but we do play teams from time to time that know we like to run and so bring extra support to the line. It's reasonable to adjust your offense to take advantage of what the defense is doing and that is subtly different from simply abandoning the run game. If we hit on those early long shots then that could have led to more rushing attempts rather than fewer.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:06 am
  • chris98251 wrote:The problem is when they find something that works they abandon it to try something cute.


    Certainly "one of them". It is to the point of comical the amount of times you see this. Something works then we abandon it completely. Just another clear sign of poor in game adjustments by this staff. I'm used to it, and thanks for the support group to deal with it. :2thumbs:
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:31 am
  • Seymour wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:The problem is when they find something that works they abandon it to try something cute.


    Certainly "one of them". It is to the point of comical the amount of times you see this. Something works then we abandon it completely. Just another clear sign of poor in game adjustments by this staff. I'm used to it, and thanks for the support group to deal with it. :2thumbs:


    What worked yesterday? Rawls had I run in 10 attempts that is not working. Thank god they changed there approach.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:08 am
  • getnasty wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:The problem is when they find something that works they abandon it to try something cute.


    Certainly "one of them". It is to the point of comical the amount of times you see this. Something works then we abandon it completely. Just another clear sign of poor in game adjustments by this staff. I'm used to it, and thanks for the support group to deal with it. :2thumbs:


    What worked yesterday? Rawls had I run in 10 attempts that is not working. Thank god they changed there approach.


    Short passing game, quick hitters, the runs that were not north and south so much, screen to the RB and not the bubble screen.

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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:20 am
  • Rawls was terrible last night, I had no problem with them abandoning the run in the second half. Take out Rawls 23 yard run by Rawls, which any RB could have ran through, and he had 9 carries for 4 yards. We really need Lacy.
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Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:40 am
  • No replay so I have to ask -- did Prosise have a 10-12 yd run that was called back for a penalty?
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:55 pm
  • Although it may appear that the running game was ineffective, it is hard to determine its true effectiveness without taking into account how it changes defensive playcalling. To break down every play is too complicated in this setting, but looking at the results yields some interesting possible interpretations.

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    1st Half;
    2-5 middle -3
    1-10 LT 2
    1-10 middle 3
    1-10 LE 2
    1-10 middle 1
    1-10 LT 1

    1-10 LT 0
    3-1 middle 23
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    1-10 RT -1

    Also, there have been numerous complaints that the Seahawks have been failing to utilize the short passing game effectively, especially in regards to RB passes out of the backfield.

    RB PASSES:
    2-7 short right McK 9 THESE 4 RUNS AND 1 PASS SUSTAINED TD DRIVE
    2-22 short middle rawls 7
    1-10 short middle rawls 5
    1-10 short left McK 7 THESE 2 PASSES AND 1 RUN SUSTAINED FG DRIVE

    2-7 short left McK inc
    1-10 short left McK 9 THIS PASS OCCURED DURING FG DRIVE
    3-5 short left McK -5

    The first thing that I notice is, with the exception of the very first play call and the 23 yard run, every carry by Rawls was on 1st and 10. While watching the game, I noticed that in the first half almost every 1st and 10 call was a run or RB pass (10/14). It seemed to me that the AZ defense keyed on this and consistently called some variation of run blitz which resulted in stuffs, and in instant pressure the few times RW did drop back to pass.

    The second thing I notice is the high success rate of passes to the RBs (6/7). Most of these were to RB lined up in backfield at the snap - the incompletion and the 5y loss were both when McK lined up as a receiver pre-snap.

    The third thing I notice is that, while it did not look pretty, when the Seahawks did use the RBs, they were much more likely to score than when they did not. The RBs were an integral part of all three 1st half scores - the drives where they were not utilized were unsuccessful. When the Seahawks went away from the running game for the 2nd half, their only score for the half was due to the miracle RW/Baldwin 54 yard pass completion.

    Overall, the run game may not be pretty but it can be effective. I think a little more creativity is in order. How about running more often on other than 1-10? How about a few more designed passes (including some screens, maybe?) to the RBs out of the backfield? If the OC can just show a little more creativity and imagination in utilizing the RBs, I believe the running game can improve steadily and dramatically by the time the playoffs get here.

    As to Rawls, he has missed a lot of holes so far, but he is showing small signs of improvement. He has only had 49 carries on the season - give him more carries/game and I'd bet he shows consistent and marked improvement week-to-week.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:10 pm
  • The running game? What running game?

    Things have gone downhill for two seasons after Lynch. The personnel here @ RB is not that capabable and the running coaching from our Asst. HC (aka "the running game coordinator") seems obviously weak or ineffective as is the play of his OLline. Lacy has been a big waste of a roster spot. Rawls is not the same guy he was before he broke his leg and he is not running with the patience he did before his injury. Prosise is never available b/c he can't play for mor than a few series without getting hurt then being out for extended periods of time. McKisaac is a bright spot but unsuited for any regular duty as he is too small. The assessment of talent seems as well to be somewhat flawed as Collins drafted in the 4th rd. was cut and he's playing lights out for Baltimore as have a few other players who have done well elsewhere.

    The team unfortunately has kept the bums and given away the others. In the preseason when the team had 10 bodies they could choose from I thought they would finally figure things out but apparently not as the focus upon the run has been a clear and total failure. It's time to at least look at Davis.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:56 pm
  • In all fairness, DB went down last night. LJ was already out. I love a good running game but It wasn't happening. Our saving grace is RW can produce behind a make shift line.

    I think we're all underwhelmed by our backs since Carson was injured and AC left. Someone needs to step up and be the man.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:16 pm
  • renofox wrote:Although it may appear that the running game was ineffective, it is hard to determine its true effectiveness without taking into account how it changes defensive playcalling. To break down every play is too complicated in this setting, but looking at the results yields some interesting possible interpretations.

    RAWLS RUNS:
    down direction result
    1st Half;
    2-5 middle -3
    1-10 LT 2
    1-10 middle 3
    1-10 LE 2
    1-10 middle 1
    1-10 LT 1

    1-10 LT 0
    3-1 middle 23
    1-10 LE -1
    2nd Half;
    1-10 RT -1

    Also, there have been numerous complaints that the Seahawks have been failing to utilize the short passing game effectively, especially in regards to RB passes out of the backfield.

    RB PASSES:
    2-7 short right McK 9 THESE 4 RUNS AND 1 PASS SUSTAINED TD DRIVE
    2-22 short middle rawls 7
    1-10 short middle rawls 5
    1-10 short left McK 7 THESE 2 PASSES AND 1 RUN SUSTAINED FG DRIVE

    2-7 short left McK inc
    1-10 short left McK 9 THIS PASS OCCURED DURING FG DRIVE
    3-5 short left McK -5

    The first thing that I notice is, with the exception of the very first play call and the 23 yard run, every carry by Rawls was on 1st and 10. While watching the game, I noticed that in the first half almost every 1st and 10 call was a run or RB pass (10/14). It seemed to me that the AZ defense keyed on this and consistently called some variation of run blitz which resulted in stuffs, and in instant pressure the few times RW did drop back to pass.

    The second thing I notice is the high success rate of passes to the RBs (6/7). Most of these were to RB lined up in backfield at the snap - the incompletion and the 5y loss were both when McK lined up as a receiver pre-snap.

    The third thing I notice is that, while it did not look pretty, when the Seahawks did use the RBs, they were much more likely to score than when they did not. The RBs were an integral part of all three 1st half scores - the drives where they were not utilized were unsuccessful. When the Seahawks went away from the running game for the 2nd half, their only score for the half was due to the miracle RW/Baldwin 54 yard pass completion.

    Overall, the run game may not be pretty but it can be effective. I think a little more creativity is in order. How about running more often on other than 1-10? How about a few more designed passes (including some screens, maybe?) to the RBs out of the backfield? If the OC can just show a little more creativity and imagination in utilizing the RBs, I believe the running game can improve steadily and dramatically by the time the playoffs get here.

    As to Rawls, he has missed a lot of holes so far, but he is showing small signs of improvement. He has only had 49 carries on the season - give him more carries/game and I'd bet he shows consistent and marked improvement week-to-week.


    Nice job. Appreciate the research. Sometimes I feel like Bevell is trying to fill a quota then has an excuse to do what he wants. When we get first downs followed by a diversity of play calls good stuff happens. That said, seems like a drive killing penalty kills all of that every time.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:48 pm
  • Carson did alright running with that shitty o line...the other rbs can't do it..why? Cuz they are shitty...Rawls Lacey and Procise will not be back hopefully
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:04 pm
  • Ad Hawk wrote:If you were a Cardinals fan talking about their running game after tonight, what would you be saying tonight? AP was held to nearly 1yd/carry. Is that all on their O-line? AP being old? He torched SF last week. But that wasn't against our D-line and LBers.

    No, we sold out to stop AP today like the Texans did to us. We knew Stanton wouldn't beat us; he's no AaronRod or RW. Teams can do that, you know... sell out to stop the run, and commit 8 to the box or to rushing, and force Russ into some bad throws.


    They can do that with any QB.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:05 pm
  • We have no running game. What difference does it make anyway? Lets say we run for 2 yards on first and second down and we are sitting on 3rd and 6. Bevell enjoys calling 50 yard bombs on third and anything less than 10 anyways.
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Re: The running game
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:45 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.


    Hmm, an awful 2.7 Rawls averaged you say? What a coincidence because that's what your fat bastard hero Lacy is averaging this entire season-2.7. 48 carries for 127 mule plodding yards and 0 TD. So yes definitely let's center our whole offense around a walrus with a pulled groin.

    Your bizarre and warped obsession with Lacy is either concerning or pure trolling.
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Re: The running game
Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:27 am
  • Pete made mistake by firing Smith as the rb coach and assigning more responsibility to Cable. That's why the run game is even worse than last year. Until that changes these issues will continue. Cable is the problem with the run game. Need to cut the problem at its source.
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Re: The running game
Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:57 pm
  • classicaaron wrote:
    zchurch74 wrote:On the first play of the game if Rawls follows his blockers to the outside and goes between the tackle to the outside he breaks it for a big game. But he cut it back inside and lost 2 yards. The guy has totally lost it


    this, I have no idea what he was cutting back to or what could have possibly went through his mind. and this wasn't a designed cut back run either with the way the blocking was made. after that carry it knew it would be a rough night for the run game.


    Reminds me of the play earlier this season where Rawls had a big run in progress, then chose to outrun his blockers, and forfeited about 20+ yards he could have easily had by simply being aware he had blockers, and using them, instead of acting like it was him against the world. Don't remember which game, but was struck by the lack of situational awareness in this decision by Rawls.
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Re: The running game
Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:36 pm
  • West TX Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:Don’t use dominance and Rawls in the same sentence.he averaged 2.7ypc last night. He is awful. Bottom line is we need Lacy back. It’s a bummer he got injured.


    Hmm, an awful 2.7 Rawls averaged you say? What a coincidence because that's what your fat bastard hero Lacy is averaging this entire season-2.7. 48 carries for 127 mule plodding yards and 0 TD. So yes definitely let's center our whole offense around a walrus with a pulled groin.

    Your bizarre and warped obsession with Lacy is either concerning or pure trolling.


    I agree Lacy is pure garbage running the ball just an absolute waste of a roster spot. Rawls as bad as he's been at least gives me some sense of a threat back there.
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