No timeout?

SchadyHawk · Oct 23, 2016

Why wouldn't they call time out before sending him out there? Reminded me of the Ohio State game where the kick seemed unnecessarily rushed. Maybe he still misses but at least give him the time to setup

soje · Oct 23, 2016

SchadyHawk":1az5yc6n said:
Why wouldn't they call time out before sending him out there? Reminded me of the Ohio State game where the kick seemed unnecessarily rushed. Maybe he still misses but at least give him the time to setup

I was wondering the exact same thing. Before the FG attempt, there was still plenty of time on the clock to:

1) run one more running play
2) If it's a TD, we win.
3) If it's not a TD, we let the clock run to 1 second and call time out
4) kick FG

The way it was executed, after we missed the FG, Arizona still had time to run a passing play for first down and a Hail Mary. Unnecessary risk.

drewba · Oct 23, 2016

My guess is that by kicking with several seconds left, if there was a bad snap, Ryan could eat the ball and call timeout, giving them another chance.

Seahawks4eva · Oct 23, 2016

Forgive me if I am wrong but this was a regular season game in which we both had possession in OT already. FG wins regardless right?

theENGLISHseahawk · Oct 23, 2016

I thought they would've got it down to 0:02 and called T.O. Even so, SH has to nail that. And it was a shocker of a kick.

mrt144 · Oct 23, 2016

drewba":25pabhqo said:
My guess is that by kicking with several seconds left, if there was a bad snap, Ryan could eat the ball and call timeout, giving them another chance.

That is a bad way to look at it though,

Take the worst possible outcome (okay, bar the block and return of a TD, but that ends the game either way with a loss in either scenario) a miss or bobbled snap as time runs out. Take best possible outcome, a made FG. The what if of a bobbled snapped recovered is so low that the value of the upside barely factors or compares to taking it down to zero.

We saw how close AZ did get with the scant time they had. Being able to rekick a bobbled snap is already unlikely and wouldn't outweigh the possibility of a hail mary play at the end, like we almost saw.

Taking a kick at 0 elminates as much downside risk as possible while kicking with time only increases upside a fraction of a percent.

mrt144 · Oct 23, 2016

Seahawks4eva":rmscpsde said:
Forgive me if I am wrong but this was a regular season game in which we both had possession in OT already. FG wins regardless right?

Correct. It was sudden death.

soje · Oct 23, 2016

mrt144":3k3qy9ns said:
drewba":3k3qy9ns said:

My guess is that by kicking with several seconds left, if there was a bad snap, Ryan could eat the ball and call timeout, giving them another chance.

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That is a bad way to look at it though,

Take the worst possible outcome (okay, bar the block and return of a TD, but that ends the game either way with a loss in either scenario) a miss or bobbled snap as time runs out. Take best possible outcome, a made FG. The what if of a bobbled snapped recovered is so low that the value of the upside barely factors or compares to taking it down to zero.

We saw how close AZ did get with the scant time they had. Being able to rekick a bobbled snap is already unlikely and wouldn't outweigh the possibility of a hail mary play at the end, like we almost saw.

Taking a kick at 0 elminates as much downside risk as possible while kicking with time only increases upside a fraction of a percent.

Do the Seahawks need a clock management coach? Pay me 200k a year and I'll solve all their problems in that area, only using common sense and the algebra I learned back in 3rd grade.

CodeWarrior · Oct 23, 2016

I'm thinking Pete may have asked Hauschka and Hauschka waved off the TO? In that situation you ask your kicker what he wants and tee it up for him. Didn't work this time.

Seahawker86 · Oct 23, 2016

If you ask me I say PC should have called time out right before the snap, tell his snapper to snap the ball anyway and let Haush get a free practice shot. It's worked against him. Why not for him?

Crizilla · Oct 23, 2016

I was thinking the same exact thing

I hate this stadium

TwistedHusky · Oct 23, 2016

The what if on a bobbled snap becomes much more likely if you don't have a good LS.

Maybe that played into it.

Frankly, it should not have had to come down to that.

mrt144 · Oct 23, 2016

TwistedHusky":1dlg1gq4 said:
The what if on a bobbled snap becomes much more likely if you don't have a good LS.

Maybe that played into it.

Frankly, it should not have had to come down to that.

Even if with our current LS, the odds of a bobbled snap, not a bad snap that is caught and placed by Ryan are still very very small. It seems like small insurance but it's giving the other team way more upside to defeat you than taking it down to zero, especially in a Tie as most common adverse outcome.

West TX Hawk · Oct 23, 2016

Everything was so unnecessarily rushed at the end. Call TO, get everyone relaxed, in position and then you're ready to go.

peppersjap · Oct 24, 2016

Pete said that if things didn't look right on the kick he was going to call the timeout be he felt everything looked good. As horrible as we were I'm happy with the tie!

TwilightError · Oct 24, 2016

West TX Hawk":2ho8x4s5 said:
Everything was so unnecessarily rushed at the end. Call TO, get everyone relaxed, in position and then you're ready to go.

This. Not doing that was just plain stupid, unexplainable, and maybe cost us the game.

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