John Scheider on why Jimmy Graham was brought in.

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http://www.seahawks.com/video/2015/03/1 ... e-had-make
if anyone can find a way to upload the video thatd be great!, so in this video at the 1:25 and on mark we hear our GM say that Jimmy had 46 touchdowns most of which were in the endzone. So Jimmy was brought in as a REDZONE threat alongside of a alreay great threat option in Marshawn. so in the offseason of 2015 the idea was our team would now bolster 2 out of the 3 best REDZONE threats in the League. Im sure most of us were real exited about this move but with some skepticism now with the departure of Center Max Unger and what we already knew was a shaky situation on our O-Line.

Now im not the greatest fan of Darrell Bevell , there have been instances were i see genius in the play calling I.E Superbowl 48 and a few other small cases. But for the most part im usually upset at the situational play selection. For this last showing of the Rams game was one major example. If you watched Jimmy in our 2 or 3 tight end sets where Jimmy is placed as a blocker you can see he was getting tossed around like a rag doll. My main example is when Jimmy and Luke are lined up next to each other on the line,...This was a running play in to which both Luke and Jimmy miss the same DE Haynes i believe it was as the opponent. Haynes just pushes him aside like nothing and then tackles C.Mike for a 2 yard loss in our Backfield. Here is the point i am getting at, Bevell is putting a TE Threat that has arguably the best hands in the NFL alongside with freak athletic traits that were displayed for years in New Orleans as a REDZONE and 1 on 1 matchup nightmare!....Russell and company managed to get to the endzone 2-4 times it seemed with a good chance to put up 6 points. if Jimmy's primary reason for being traded to the Hawks was to be a Redzone threat why isnt he being utilized in a form of no brainer 1 0n 1 matchups or concepts where he has an upper hand on the opposing Defense?

why is that the hawks are dishing out around 9mil in Cap. on him if they are not willing to implement play calls were he can take advantage of DB's or linebackers who are either to short or slow to match Jimmy Grahms prowess in specificly the RED Zone ? in a week were Russell Wilson is obiously hurt by a ankle injury and could not plant his feet or move properly, Is it out of the realm to think '' ok let me select a play call to where Russell doesnt have to do much but recieve the ball from center and just throw up a high and away ball to Jimmy in back of the endzone ''? where even if Jimmy cant catch it the possibilty of it getting turned over are less likely? These are just my 2 cents Guys and why i honestly feel Darrell is inept in obvious play calling situations. As always Go Hawks and hope to God this man gets his head out of his Arse.
 

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They'd probably be happy to use Jimmy as a pure wideout if they had real blocking TEs elsewhere on the roster. Unfortunately, they don't, someone has to block, and Nick Vannett is neither healthy nor proven yet.

On this charge, I don't blame Pete or Bevell. We don't yet have the personnel to really let Jimmy loose as he was meant to be.

Zach Miller was such a huge loss.
 

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MontanaHawk05":2tliaepz said:
Zach Miller was such a huge loss.

I couldn't agree more. I miss Zach something fierce.
 

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According to the bevell supporters, he is not being used because of russ's ankle, OL shortcomings, ifedi injury etc. It can't be the playcalling because we have won a superbowl and been to another.

Notice though that since the superbowl, we have had less cap space as we have had to pay guys. This has limited having a team STACKED from top to bottom and also being able to afford depth with talent to having just key pieces. This means you HAVE to have a good strategy to be able to implement those pieces and use them to their fullest potential. Have we done that?, I think you post shows that no, we haven't. The trend we are on since the superbowl is heading down, not up. Hopefully The coaches get together sooner than later, break it down into what exactly goes wrong, and what goes right and implement some real changes instead of just the usual "we gotta get better" stuff.
 

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MontanaHawk05":2musu77n said:
They'd probably be happy to use Jimmy as a pure wideout if they had real blocking TEs elsewhere on the roster. Unfortunately, they don't, someone has to block, and Nick Vannett is neither healthy nor proven yet.

On this charge, I don't blame Pete or Bevell. We don't yet have the personnel to really let Jimmy loose as he was meant to be.

Zach Miller was such a huge loss.

Brandon Williams. Bevell failed.
 

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Didn't Graham used to consider himself a WR?

Or was that just to justify a higher salary?
 

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Fade":2fxvnuzy said:
MontanaHawk05":2fxvnuzy said:
They'd probably be happy to use Jimmy as a pure wideout if they had real blocking TEs elsewhere on the roster. Unfortunately, they don't, someone has to block, and Nick Vannett is neither healthy nor proven yet.

On this charge, I don't blame Pete or Bevell. We don't yet have the personnel to really let Jimmy loose as he was meant to be.

Zach Miller was such a huge loss.

Brandon Williams. Bevell failed.

Who considers Brandon Williams a blocking TE? Guy is a basketball convert and smallest TE on the roster.
 

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(1) Graham was a fantasy all-star on a New Orleans team that made 35-year old Ben Watson look just as dangerous. He has skills, but the production was inflated by pass-heavy offense that loses a lot of games. I was extremely low on this trade, and continue to be so, but they'll use him fine. The trade was made because there was legitimate concern on the team about Russell's ability to be effective in the redzone (likely due to his height) -- a notion that Michael Robinson spoke about last season.

(2) You can run Graham on as many routes as you want. At the end of the day, he has to be seen and thrown to. That is a function of rapport between the QB and TE. Hopefully, those two get it down at some point, but this is not something that will be dictated by scheme. If they're on the field, great players emerge...they are not catered to.

As far as using him as an in-line TE, I don't love it either. But what other option do you have? Our sole "blocking TE" is hurt and unproven. We have four capable wideouts who would lose reps, especially our top 3 slot receiver, if Graham spends all his time split out in the slot (where he's most effective). At the end of the day, I simply don't see this as a fit.
 

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NINEster":xx6pzczg said:
Didn't Graham used to consider himself a WR?

Or was that just to justify a higher salary?

Correct. He was angling for a higher contract, specifically for the franchise tag, if I remember correctly (pre Hawk days).

That being said, he's better as a WR, anyways. The fact that they still line him up with his hand in the ground is one of the biggest indicators of the Seahawks stubbornness and failure to scheme offensively.
 

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Again, if you want Graham to play WR only, who are you taking off the field? Kearse goes to the bench? Baldwin plays all his reps at flanker, where he's less effective? Lockett? Richardson never plays?

In this offense, if you want Graham in the game about 70% of the time, he's going to have to put his hand in the dirt. Otherwise, he becomes just an extremely expensive specialist who plays about 15-20% of the snaps.
 

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DavidSeven":3rsb6nv4 said:
Again, if you want Graham to play WR only, who are you taking off the field? Kearse goes to the bench? Baldwin plays all his reps at flanker, where he's less effective? Lockett? Richardson never plays?

In this offense, if you want Graham in the game about 70% of the time, he's going to have to put his hand in the dirt. Otherwise, he becomes just an extremely expensive specialist who plays about 15-20% of the snaps.

Good point, and one that I actually hadn't even considered.
 
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DavidSeven":2daaq0or said:
(1) Graham was a fantasy all-star on a New Orleans team that made 35-year old Ben Watson look just as dangerous. He has skills, but the production was inflated by pass-heavy offense that loses a lot of games. I was extremely low on this trade, and continue to be so, but they'll use him fine. The trade was made because there was legitimate concern on the team about Russell's ability to be effective in the redzone (likely due to his height) -- a notion that Michael Robinson spoke about last season.

(2) You can run Graham on as many routes as you want. At the end of the day, he has to be seen and thrown to. That is a function of rapport between the QB and TE. Hopefully, those two get it down at some point, but this is not something that will be dictated by scheme. If they're on the field, great players emerge...they are not catered to.

As far as using him as an in-line TE, I don't love it either. But what other option do you have? Our sole "blocking TE" is hurt and unproven. We have four capable wideouts who would lose reps, especially our top 3 slot receiver, if Graham spends all his time split out in the slot (where he's most effective). At the end of the day, I simply don't see this as a fit.

On your 2) point , your saying Drew Brees could see Graham as to which Wilson is incapable of?... you Know reading through a few of Davis HSU posts im hating Darell Bevell a bit less, I hate to say it but i think with Russell injury to the foot ankle area he is throwing ball a bit quicker than hanging in tuff in pocket to allow Graham to run his route after breaking off . I hope this week they really make '' tell the truth Monday'' into a week long observation into what Bevell and Russell can correct, FOR THE SAKE OF THE TEAM.
 

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DavidSeven":1ziejp8k said:
Again, if you want Graham to play WR only, who are you taking off the field? Kearse goes to the bench? Baldwin plays all his reps at flanker, where he's less effective? Lockett? Richardson never plays?

In this offense, if you want Graham in the game about 70% of the time, he's going to have to put his hand in the dirt. Otherwise, he becomes just an extremely expensive specialist who plays about 15-20% of the snaps.

It's not an either/or situation though throughout a game. Jimmy could do some plays with his hand in the dirt and some split out wide or in the slot.
 

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HawkGA":u40q3jta said:
DavidSeven":u40q3jta said:
Again, if you want Graham to play WR only, who are you taking off the field? Kearse goes to the bench? Baldwin plays all his reps at flanker, where he's less effective? Lockett? Richardson never plays?

In this offense, if you want Graham in the game about 70% of the time, he's going to have to put his hand in the dirt. Otherwise, he becomes just an extremely expensive specialist who plays about 15-20% of the snaps.

It's not an either/or situation though throughout a game. Jimmy could do some plays with his hand in the dirt and some split out wide or in the slot.

They already do this, though at a different mix than New Orleans where he was probably 60/40 WR/TE. In Seattle, the percentages are probably flipped, but he's lining up as both here as well. The fact that Baldwin is his competition in the slot means he's just not going to get as many opps there as he got with the Saints, who were also dialing down his usage in his final season there.
 

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Okay. I don't actually see the games so I don't see where he is lined up. From reading here (and even from your posts as well) it had sounded like if he's on the field, his hand is in the dirt.
 

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HawkGA":2pk005bm said:
Okay. I don't actually see the games so I don't see where he is lined up. From reading here (and even from your posts as well) it had sounded like if he's on the field, his hand is in the dirt.

Thats an impressive amount of posts for a guy that doesn't even watch games.
 

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Why can't we run 4 wide double slot with Baldwin and Graham? Anything to get Graham out wide, I don't really want a guy who just detroyed his knee blocking on the line where it's much easier for him to get rolled up on or injured in a similar way. As far as Graham taking slot snaps away from Baldwin, I have faith in Baldwin to exploit the fact that Graham is in the slot and find a way to take advantage while running his outside route.
 

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Graham is one of the biggest threats in the league and bevell still doesnt know how to utilize him. You need to put him all over the field to make it hard on defenses.

Put him in the slot, line him up like a wide reciever , and throw to him deep. Defenses will have to respect him and that opens up even more oppurtunities for guys like lockett, kearse and baldwin. Bevell just uses him like a regular TE and thats not what he is.
 

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Isn't this team's philosophy to get the most talented players on the field and in a position to highlight their abilities? Graham is superior to Richardson and Kearse at this point, and situationally superior to Lockett. Line Jimmy up out wide and sit one of those guys down. Unless you're enjoying the current offensive attack, that is.
 

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CodeWarrior":2r7je71d said:
Isn't this team's philosophy to get the most talented players on the field and in a position to highlight their abilities? Graham is superior to Richardson and Kearse at this point, and situationally superior to Lockett. Line Jimmy up out wide and sit one of those guys down. Unless you're enjoying the current offensive attack, that is.

It's not 100% on Bevell, Russell has his part in ignoring Graham. On the FG drive Graham was lined up wide R (just as you asked), with trips left. Graham has single coverage with a 6' defender on him,( just what we want and should look for), especially in the red zone. Russell takes the snap, and without hesitation of even looking Jimmy's way tosses a incomplete corner route to Kearse into tight coverage. WTF?

Why is Russell not looking to Jimmy is a bigger question???
 
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