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So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:21 am
  • Cam or Russ. You know this is the storyline. Vanity vs. Virtuous. Carolina vs. Seattle. Bring it on.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:28 am
  • Remember when the huge board argument used to be Wilson or karpernick?

    :lol:

    I think cam and Russell are both perfect for their teams. I doubt either fan base would trade their guy. So it's a useless argument.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:09 am
  • It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:57 am
  • Fade wrote:It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)

    I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 4:18 am
  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Fade wrote:It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)

    I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.


    4 years of being the best playmaker in the game and finally starting to shake the narrative. Yet a bad game 'they' can take it away again.

    Wilson will always be an * in many minds because they can't believe he is doing it.

    Even though he owns tons of records and a super bowl.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:18 am
  • Fade wrote:It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)


    Or Cam could throw for three picks and be labelled a play-off choker.

    Wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:19 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Remember when the huge board argument used to be Wilson or karpernick?

    :lol:

    I think cam and Russell are both perfect for their teams. I doubt either fan base would trade their guy. So it's a useless argument.


    This.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:38 am
  • volsunghawk wrote:I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.


    Not dead yet. Just hibernating.

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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:45 am
  • who's

    [in before Ro]
    enjoy the ride
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:17 am
  • Smellyman wrote:
    volsunghawk wrote:
    Fade wrote:It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)

    I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.


    4 years of being the best playmaker in the game and finally starting to shake the narrative. Yet a bad game 'they' can take it away again.

    Wilson will always be an * in many minds because they can't believe he is doing it.

    Even though he owns tons of records and a super bowl.


    Do you see any hot takes about Wilson being a game manager again, or an asterisk, after the Vikings game?

    Because any "haters" could legitimately point to the defense as the reason that Seattle had a chance to come back in that game, and could point to a single broken-play-turned-35-yard-gain as the only real offense generated by the Hawks all day long.

    Wilson was in the MVP conversation the second half of the season, and it wasn't just that he was putting up numbers... it's that he was doing it as a pocket passer. He's even forced Prisco to eat his words this season.

    We've got to get over that inferiority complex, fellas. We don't have to be so sensitive.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:23 am
  • Using this game to decide who is the better QB is a barometer of football yin and yang, tribalism and football intelligence. The two are not playing tennis. THey are not squaring off in a one on one basketball game. So deciding one is better than the other based on one game has a lot more to do with who your tribe is than what is true.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:08 am
  • HomerJHawk wrote:who's

    [in before Ro]


    Thank you. I'm not one for correcting people on things like this, but I am very glad you did.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:21 am
  • This one game coming up won't answer the question.

    Win, lose or draw will not matter. It will only add to each guys body of work.
    It's their body of work the we must use to determine who is the better QB.
    That's my story and I'm stickin' to it :{)
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:41 am
  • "Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

    *RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

    "Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

    *Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

    "Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

    *Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

    "Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

    Your move, Cam.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:43 am
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

    *RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

    "Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

    *Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

    "Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

    *Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

    "Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

    Your move, Cam.



    *Cam wins MVP*
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:46 am
  • Cary Kollins wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

    *RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

    "Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

    *Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

    "Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

    *Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

    "Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

    Your move, Cam.



    *Cam wins MVP*


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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:00 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:Using this game to decide who is the better QB is a barometer of football yin and yang, tribalism and football intelligence. The two are not playing tennis. THey are not squaring off in a one on one basketball game. So deciding one is better than the other based on one game has a lot more to do with who your tribe is than what is true.

    I completely agree.

    Cam scored 45 touchdowns this year. 45. He's been consistent. His team is 15-1. Say what you will about their schedule, they still went 15-1. Russell has had a great year - historic in a stretch, but not as consistent and his team lost 5 more games. Why does it matter who is "better"?

    If Cam outplays Russell on Sunday but the Seahawks win, what does that tell us? Nothing.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:02 am
  • We'll find out Sunday.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:31 am
  • JSeahawks wrote:Remember when the huge board argument used to be Wilson or karpernick?

    :lol:

    I think cam and Russell are both perfect for their teams. I doubt either fan base would trade their guy. So it's a useless argument.
    I agree. Personally I don't think either QB would do as well if they switched places.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:37 am
  • well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:43 am
  • One game will tell next to nothing. People will still use what they want to "prove" their belief, on either side.

    All that matters is which would you choose if you were building a team around one or the other.

    For me that is Wilson, and it's not very close.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:12 am
  • Anthony! wrote:well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

    And BOOOOOOOOOM goes the dynamite. Cam is overrated. He isnt even the best player on that team.. kuechly is by far the best player on that team. Cam is just the covergirl qb the nfl desperately needed after peyton, luck, and romo all went down early in the season.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:42 am
  • Anthony! wrote:well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest


    I'll take points scored over QBR every time.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:01 pm
  • Easy answer: Andrew Luck :stirthepot:
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:28 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Cary Kollins wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

    *RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

    "Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

    *Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

    "Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

    *Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

    "Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

    Your move, Cam.



    *Cam wins MVP*


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    Two awesome posts back to back.

    I think 2015 will go down as Newton's career year, but I don't think he'll collapse either. His tools are just too good. Also, I think Luck will bounce back.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:29 pm
  • kearly wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:
    Cary Kollins wrote:
    Seahawk Sailor wrote:"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

    *RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

    "Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

    *Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

    "Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

    *Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

    "Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

    Your move, Cam.



    *Cam wins MVP*


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    Two awesome posts back to back.



    when did RGme win MVP?
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:33 pm
  • Cary Kollins wrote:when did RGme win MVP?


    The point is that awards are stupid.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:48 pm
  • CoastalJuan wrote:
    Anthony! wrote:well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest


    I'll take points scored over QBR every time.


    Of course you would unless it was Cam who had the QBR and Wilson the points. You also take more TOs, worse td/int ratio, More TOs leading to points, etc. That said it is easy for Cam when he can call his own number inside the 5 while Wilson lets his Rbs do their job. For me yes Cam this year scored more TDs than Wilson, but he also took a lot more to get them, and he did it against one of the 5 easiest schedules, while Wilson did it against one of the 5 hardest. Add to that their career Year avgs

    Cam
    3652 passing yards, 59.6 complt%, 7.55 ypa, 23 pas tds, 12.8 ints, 1.8 td/int ratio, qb rating 88.3, 641 rush yards, 5.4 ypa, 5.6 tds-total yards 4293, 28.6 tds,

    Wilson
    3494 passing yards, 64.7 complt%, 8.05 ypa, 27 tds, 8.5 ints, 3.2 td/int ratio, qb rating 101.8, 608 rush yards 5.9 ypa, 3 tds-total yards 4102, 30 tds

    Hmm interesting so I guess since you would take the more tds that means Wilson right?
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:00 pm
  • Cary Kollins wrote:
    when did RGme win MVP?


    He didn't. That pic I believe is offensive ROY award.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:19 pm
  • CoastalJuan wrote:
    Anthony! wrote:well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest


    I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

    yet if cam had a higher QBR than RW you would say the opposite lol.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:33 pm
  • ^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

    Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

    As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:35 pm
  • ctrcat wrote:^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

    Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

    As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.

    Wilson also has speed and arm strength and is a better playmaker in my opinion.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:47 pm
  • I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

    Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


    Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

    Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

    Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:51 pm
  • Cary Kollins wrote:I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

    Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


    Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

    Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

    Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.


    That's funny because my enduring memory of playing the Panthers is always feeling confident because while their ferocious front 7 would keep the game close but Cam could be relied on to fire the winning TD pass in the dirt.

    Cam has always done a lot for their offense but until this year he frightened nobody from the pocket and shrank from all big moments.

    In other words the exact opposite of what you said.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:56 pm
  • RussB wrote:
    CoastalJuan wrote:
    Anthony! wrote:well for this year you can decide

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

    Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

    Just to compare
    Wilson had 1 game below 80,

    Let’s compare them
    Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
    Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

    So let’s see
    Qb rating WILSON
    QBR WILSON
    Passing Yards WILSON
    Passing YPA WILSON
    Complt% WILSON
    Passing TDS CAM
    Ints WILSON
    TD/INT Ratio WILSON
    Rushing Yards CAM
    Rushing TDs CAM
    Rushing YPA WILSON
    Total Yards WILSON
    Total Tds CAM

    So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

    Now let’s add in QBR
    Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


    Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest


    I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

    yet if cam had a higher QBR than RW you would say the opposite lol.


    NO I am looking at all the stats not just 1 or 2 unlike some.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 1:58 pm
  • Cary Kollins wrote:I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

    Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


    Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

    Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

    Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.



    Yeah the problem is you thought and you cannot prove it and I would argue with Cam we do not do anything has he is not as efficient as Wilson which is what we needed so sorry you would be wrong.

    Let me help you out

    Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage.

    Cam- 11th
    Wilson 3rd

    The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations.

    Cam- 12
    Wilson-3

    QBR=total play
    Cam- 9
    Wilson-4

    So yeah sorry Cam with us we do not win 3 SBs and you are just being ignorant to even say something you cannot prove and the fact sand stats show is wrong. The fact and stats do however show Wilson would do great with Carolina thought
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:04 pm
  • Anthony! wrote:
    Cary Kollins wrote:I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

    Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


    Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

    Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

    Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.



    Yeah the problem is you thought and you cannot prove it and I would argue with Cam we do not do anything has he is not as efficient as Wilson which is what we needed so sorry you would be wrong


    Yeah - can you imagine how Cam would have been in some of those games that Russell got us back into? Bucs, Texans, 2015 NFCCG to name just a few.....I am sure we would not have won them.
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Re: So finally whose the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:02 pm
  • volsunghawk wrote:
    Fade wrote:It's lose lose for Russell.

    If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

    on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

    If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)

    I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.


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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:32 pm
  • For how long can Cam run designed plays up the middle between the guards and between the tackles? Other than sneak plays, no one else risks their long-term health that way. Once he starts to get banged-up, he'll have to stop, and it will reduce his stats a bit.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:38 pm
  • This one's easy to solve... who has the hotter lady?

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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:42 pm
  • Laloosh wrote:This one's easy to solve... who has the hotter lady?

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    This is purely subjective but I'm kinda digging the one on the bottom left.
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:18 pm
  • ctrcat wrote:^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

    Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

    As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.

    So you imply that cam is a good fullback?
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Re: So finally who's the better QB...
Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:09 pm
  • ctrcat wrote:^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

    Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

    As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.


    And that is Why I posted QB rating, Footballoutsider DVOA and more to support my claim not just QBR, and so far all you did was post well nothing that is really anything. Let me guess next will be Cam has the best QB rating on passes under 1 yard in the last 10 seconds of the 2nd qtr? All the fact and stats show overwhelmingly Wilson is better.
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