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- I think Bevell should relinquish his spot on the sideline and call plays/observe from up in the press box. While some of us are very displeased with him, and for good reason, knowing Pete Carroll I don't think we will see Bevell be outright fired. I think putting him up in the press box may lead to some better overall observations, and maybe loosen the reigns and let Russell freelance a little more.

- I think Pete should have a little more say in the defensive play calls, and ease Kris into it a little slower then he has been. The play relaying system also needs to be addressed, as ET and Sherm receiving two different play calls on the Greg Olsen TD is inexcusable.

- I think the o-line experiment needs to be stopped NOW. Sure, week 12 we might see the most athletic bad-ass run blocking o-line in the NFL. But the 11 weeks before that? RW is going to get killed, and the run game will suffer. We saw a little bit of this fix as Patrick Lewis came in the game to replace Nowak.

- Thomas Rawls needs to start the games early on. He hits the holes a little faster then Lynch at this point - and earlier in the game when the opposing D isnt as tired and the holes our o-line open arent as big or last as long - Rawls acceleration is invaluable to capitalize as much as we can early on. Once the defense is tired out later on, that would be the perfect time to bring out Lynch and pound the ball on the ground to run clock and win the game.

- Cary Williams should be benched until he shows improvement. I really don't mind if they sign some guy from Taco Bell for a game- just see if they can light a little fire under him and let him know his play has been unacceptable and there will be consequences if he doesn't step up.

Feel free to add any others that come to mind.
 

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I don't think physically moving Bevell to a new location would change his tendencies. He's built an offense that features extremely simple play design, and in the NFL your only hope of making that kind of offense work is to out-execute the opponent, which is really hard to do when the opponent knows what's coming. Thus, Bevell lives and dies by trying to get defenses to guess wrong, which leads to five to ten head-scratching decisions every game ("They'll never see it coming!"). That's just who he's been for ten years now, and I don't see it ever changing.

The OL has actually made progress the last two weeks. Wilson had *decent* time to throw against Carolina on most snaps, and while Lynch struggled to break the first level, the OL was getting some decent push up the middle.

If not for Keuchly filling run gaps like the master he is, I think Lynch could have had a 100 yesterday. I feel totally confident when I say that Kuechly's presence and Wagner's absence was enough to be the difference in the game.

Cary Williams has basically been the guy I expected him to be. An average corner. I thought he looked average yesterday. He looked bad against Cincy, but AJ Green will make average corners look really bad sometimes. Williams looked mostly good in weeks 1-4.

As far as realistic solutions go, the top of my list would be to cut Cooper Helfet tomorrow and sign a blocking TE. I don't know what Miller's health status is, but he's currently available. If healthy and willing I'd sign him back. Both of our tackles are struggling this year especially in the run game, having a TE who can help them chip or double with authority would make a difference. It would also allow us to move Britt back to RT if needed then glue a TE to his hip. The issues on the OL began with a lack of a blocking TE, as minor as that issue would normally be, it's turned into something big with Seattle.

I also think Glowinsky should get a shot at LG. It is almost guaranteed that he would be an upgrade over Britt.

The communication issues in the secondary need to get fixed, but I'm guessing they will be and soon. For all the people pointing the finger at Richard, most of them probably can't name the DB coach that replaced him. It's not just a new DC, it's a new DB coach too. It'll get fixed.

I'd like to see Seattle do more snaps under center for Wilson with Tukuafu and Lynch in the backfield. Tukuafu is not a great FB, but Lynch and Tukuafu are like brothers. Seattle needs to get back to being a smashmouth team and they have the ingredients to do it.
 

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bbsplitter":juvdgr61 said:
We saw a little bit of this fix as Patrick Lewis came in the game to replace Nowak.

Lewis played horribly. He allowed more pressures and sacks than Nowak allowed in the five previous games combined. He was also terrible in the run game.

PFF now rates Lewis as one of the worst centers in the league . . . a hair's breadth above Marcus Martin. He is ranked in the 30s in both run blocking and pass pro.
 

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Difficult day for Patrick Lewis against Star Lotulelei . . . .

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Center: Alternating between Drew Nowak and Patrick Lewis at center should surprise no one. Watching 6'-1" Lewis get stood up and rolled back off any semblance of balance was a shocker. That is the one thing that shouldn't happen to a guy with his center of gravity as a third year player. I thought Lewis looked better in 2014.

Right Tackle: It will be tomorrow before the FO numbers come out thru week 6. However the run numbers off right tackle thru week 5 have seen a stunning drop off from 2014. Surely the trade off between Britt and Gilliam is weighing on their minds. Although, their offensive identity has become a growing mystery to me.

Tight End: Will Tukuafu has assumed some blocking duties at tight end. If they free up Garry Gilliam from full time work at right tackle, then his impact as a 6th linemen/3rd tight end returns.

Darrell Bevell: IMHO Darrell's play calling works much better with well rounded players. To my way of thinking, Carroll tends to accommodate too many specialist on offense for a Bevell called game. The loss of the versatile Zack Miller stands out as a leading example of the impact of the loss of uncertainty. Specialists telegraph probable plays. Well rounded players create doubt in the minds of defenders.

Thursday night game in San Francisco: Win or lose I expect changes during the bye week. More so with another loss.

Update Edit:[tweet]https://twitter.com/DavisHsuSeattle/status/656221266186100736[/tweet][tweet]https://twitter.com/scohenPI/status/656222010532454400[/tweet]
 

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'Thus, Bevell lives and dies by trying to get defenses to guess wrong, which leads to five to ten head-scratching decisions every game ("They'll never see it coming!")'

This statement by Kearly is dead on and exactly the reason we are struggling.

If your offense depends on essentially a roll of the dice (catching the opposing defense with their pants down instead of just good tactical execution), then you cannot rely on it. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Which means it becomes a crap shoot.

That become a problem when you have to salt away a game with a lead. You can't. It is actually similar to how no huddle teams struggle to salt away leads. Because there is no continuity.

We have an offense that relies on random shots occasionally working. That means more possessions for the other team when it doesn't. And less time used up accordingly. The more times we give the opposing team to roll their own dice, the more chances they catch US in a mistake too.

And so the gaps gets chipped away until it vanishes. All because we cannot score reliably, even when we have a lead - we know that the other team is going to keep beating on the dam until it breaks and we are going to go into an office that has as close to 0% chance of scoring as almost any.

That was Bevell in Minnesota and even here, the defense just held the other team down so occasionally a few of our mooonshots would hit. With less holding the other team down, there are less moonshots and so less hits. Which leaves us scoring less TDs than any other team in the NFL.
 

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DangerousDoug":3apns04d said:
Thanks for the clips Hawknation. Good lord, talk about manhandled!

Lewis got beat badly in about 3 of those gifs but in most of them he did his job. Lotuleilei is pretty nasty, he gave Unger a lot of trouble as well.

I didn't watch Lewis closely in the game but I did notice that the OL was getting better push up the middle than usual. Really a shame that Kuechly is so damn good, he lived up to his reputation on Sunday as a run fitter. Seattle was getting 2-3 yards with consistency but rarely more because Kuechly was always in great position to limit the damage.

I was surprised that Lewis got the start. Nowak was coming off his best game. It must have been a matchup thing. Hope Lewis recovers quickly.
 

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kearly":3krwkeqp said:
The communication issues in the secondary need to get fixed, but I'm guessing they will be and soon. For all the people pointing the finger at Richard, most of them probably can't name the DB coach that replaced him. It's not just a new DC, it's a new DB coach too. It'll get fixed.

I'd like to see Seattle do more snaps under center for Wilson with Tukuafu and Lynch in the backfield. Tukuafu is not a great FB, but Lynch and Tukuafu are like brothers. Seattle needs to get back to being a smashmouth team and they have the ingredients to do it.

Question on the bolded, Do you think it would help us if we put Rawls with Tuk in front of him too?? Just an opinion requested. Thanks.
 

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Seahawkfan80":3ac4i7bw said:
kearly":3ac4i7bw said:
The communication issues in the secondary need to get fixed, but I'm guessing they will be and soon. For all the people pointing the finger at Richard, most of them probably can't name the DB coach that replaced him. It's not just a new DC, it's a new DB coach too. It'll get fixed.

I'd like to see Seattle do more snaps under center for Wilson with Tukuafu and Lynch in the backfield. Tukuafu is not a great FB, but Lynch and Tukuafu are like brothers. Seattle needs to get back to being a smashmouth team and they have the ingredients to do it.

Question on the bolded, Do you think it would help us if we put Rawls with Tuk in front of him too?? Just an opinion requested. Thanks.

I think Tukuafu should be the starter at FB. He's much better at blocking than Coleman and he punishes defenders. He's a key ingredient to the Seahawks running game being successful. Coleman's better at receiving out of the backfield and a little better at getting up the field to make blocks at the 2nd level, but Tukuafu smashes players and gets our backs 3-4 yards almost every time. That keeps the offense on the move and converts downs as long as Bevell doesn't pass on 3rd and short.
 

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kearly":26gf1mk2 said:
DangerousDoug":26gf1mk2 said:
Thanks for the clips Hawknation. Good lord, talk about manhandled!

Lewis got beat badly in about 3 of those gifs but in most of them he did his job. Lotuleilei is pretty nasty, he gave Unger a lot of trouble as well.

I didn't watch Lewis closely in the game but I did notice that the OL was getting better push up the middle than usual. Really a shame that Kuechly is so damn good, he lived up to his reputation on Sunday as a run fitter. Seattle was getting 2-3 yards with consistency but rarely more because Kuechly was always in great position to limit the damage.

I was surprised that Lewis got the start. Nowak was coming off his best game. It must have been a matchup thing. Hope Lewis recovers quickly.

Good points. Lotuleilei is a hand full. Also, on one of those gifs, Lewis is actually releasing to go out and block for a screen. It also looked like he might've released a bit late.

I also noticed better push up the middle with Lewis.

As for Tukuafu, he might not be that quick side to side, but he erases his man at the point of contact. That has a cumulative effect throughout the game.
 

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A lot of great ideas here. Thanks to all of you. Except for Stone Cold, weak sauce my friend, weak sauce. :snack:
 

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ivotuk":22m57auk said:
A lot of great ideas here. Thanks to all of you. Except for Stone Cold, weak sauce my friend, weak sauce. :snack:

I don't happen to agree with any of those ideas. Bevell is running the Offense the way Pete wants him to. If there were better players to have in place they would be playing.
 

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StoneCold":2faufaj0 said:
ivotuk":2faufaj0 said:
A lot of great ideas here. Thanks to all of you. Except for Stone Cold, weak sauce my friend, weak sauce. :snack:

I don't happen to agree with any of those ideas. Bevell is running the Offense the way Pete wants him to. If there were better players to have in place they would be playing.

I think Bevell is running the concept of a control offense, but it isn't the way Pete wants it done, he wants Wilson protected, he wants to score in the red zone, he wants to see a successful running game without Wilson having to do it himself, he wants to control the clock.

We are not running the offense in a way to acheive this.
 

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chris98251":2muefugh said:
StoneCold":2muefugh said:
ivotuk":2muefugh said:
A lot of great ideas here. Thanks to all of you. Except for Stone Cold, weak sauce my friend, weak sauce. :snack:

I don't happen to agree with any of those ideas. Bevell is running the Offense the way Pete wants him to. If there were better players to have in place they would be playing.

I think Bevell is running the concept of a control offense, but it isn't the way Pete wants it done, he wants Wilson protected, he wants to score in the red zone, he wants to see a successful running game without Wilson having to do it himself, he wants to control the clock.

We are not running the offense in a way to acheive this.

That sounds more like execution than Bevell's play calling. I still think if Bevell wasn't calling what Pete wanted, Pete would say something. Why do people think Pete is so full of weak sauce he can't tell his people to do what he wants?
 

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StoneCold":1c1dkqjh said:
chris98251":1c1dkqjh said:
StoneCold":1c1dkqjh said:
ivotuk":1c1dkqjh said:
A lot of great ideas here. Thanks to all of you. Except for Stone Cold, weak sauce my friend, weak sauce. :snack:

I don't happen to agree with any of those ideas. Bevell is running the Offense the way Pete wants him to. If there were better players to have in place they would be playing.

I think Bevell is running the concept of a control offense, but it isn't the way Pete wants it done, he wants Wilson protected, he wants to score in the red zone, he wants to see a successful running game without Wilson having to do it himself, he wants to control the clock.

We are not running the offense in a way to acheive this.

That sounds more like execution than Bevell's play calling. I still think if Bevell wasn't calling what Pete wanted, Pete would say something. Why do people think Pete is so full of weak sauce he can't tell his people to do what he wants?


Need 5 yds, run plays for three, thats basic football, your run deeper and comeback for the ball on your route, makes you open, your running away from the defender on the come back and your open, that or to the sideline again running away from the defender and running open where only you can catch the ball. Again basic football.

I have stated in many other threads, Bevells route trees are horrific.
 

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chris98251":3b2eeysf said:
Need 5 yds, run plays for three, thats basic football, your run deeper and comeback for the ball on your route, makes you open, your running away from the defender on the come back and your open, that or to the sideline again running away from the defender and running open where only you can catch the ball. Again basic football.

I have stated in many other threads, Bevells route trees are horrific.

I do understand that people don't like his play calling. I don't have enough knowledge to know one way or the other, but in reading the discussions I see people on both sides. The play your referencing was the 3 yard completion to Graham. On it's face it looks dumb as hell, but it was pointed out it's supposed to be rub route giving Graham time to catch and turn up field. Certainly on that play RW didn't have enough time for Graham to run beyond the first down marker and then do a come back as Gilliam whiffed on his man who was almost on RW before he threw. Execution.

I still say the Bevell is calling the game Pete wants him too and if you have an issue with Bevell you have an issue with Pete. Which is fine. Their is room for all kinds of opinions.
 
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