Wilson's First 3 Years Are Arguably the Best in NFL History

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When considering the totality of Russell Wilson's accomplishments, they truly are amazing. True, there are some QB's with more yards, or more TD's, etc., but Wilson is ranked in the top 5 or top 10 of a wide variety of stats over his first three years. One could easily say that overall, Wilson has had the best first three years of any QB in NFL history. Here are a few of his accomplishments:

- Wilson is the first QB in NFL history with a passer rating of over 95.0 in each of his first three seasons.
- Wilson has 24 games with a passer rating of 100+ in his first three seasons...more than any other QB in NFL history. Flacco, Marino, and Palmer are tied for second with 19.
- Wilson leads all QB’s in the NFL over the last 3 years with 10- 4th quarter comebacks and 15- game-winning drives. No other QB in NFL history has ever done this in their first 3 years.
- He is one of only five players with at least 20 touchdown passes in each of first three seasons.
- Wilson is the first and only QB in the Super Bowl era to have average yards per attempt of 7.6 or better in each of his first three seasons.
- Wilson’s career yards per passing attempt of 7.9 is fourth-best of all QB’s since 1951.
- Wilson is ranked #1 in career postseason yards per attempt. His career average of 9.01 (min. 200 pass attempts) is the highest in NFL history.
- Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB's in his first three seasons.
- Wilson holds the record for most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie QB with 385 yards. The old record was set in 1937 by Sammy Baugh with 335 yards...that record stood for 75 years.
- Wilson is ranked at #2 in all-time career passer rating (min. 1200 attempts) with a 98.6. Only Aaron Rodgers has a higher career passer rating.
- Wilson's passer rating of 98.6 for a player’s first 3 years is the best in NFL history.
- Including postseason, Wilson's passer rating of 98.5 for a player's first three years is the best in NFL history.
- Wilson's postseason passer rating of 97.8 in his first three years is the best in NFL history.
- Wilson’s career postseason passer rating of 97.8 (min. 200 attempts) is the 5th best in NFL history.
- Wilson's TD% of 5.8% in his first three years is the 2nd highest in NFL history; only Dan Marino is higher with 6.9%.
- Wilson's INT% of 2.1% in his first three years is the lowest of any QB in NFL history.
- Wilson is ranked #2 all-time with a career TD to INT ratio of 2.77 (min. 1200 attempts) behind only Rodgers.
- Wilson is ranked #3 all-time with a career INT rate of only 2.1%, behind only Rodgers and Brady.
- Wilson is the first and only QB in NFL history to throw for 300+ yards and run for 100+ yards (313 & 106) in the same game...against the Rams on 10-19-14.
- Only one QB in NFL history had more than one season with more than 20 TD passes and 10 or fewer interceptions in his first three seasons: Wilson, who has had three such seasons.
- His 72 touchdowns are the seventh-most ever through a player’s first three seasons.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has 84 passing TD's in his first three seasons, 4th-most in NFL history.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has 97 passing and rushing TD's in his first three seasons, 3rd-most in NFL history.
- Wilson is ranked #12 all-time for most passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 9950 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 11770 yards.
- Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for most total yards (passing + rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 11827 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #2 all-time for most total yards (passing and rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 13902 yards.
- Wilson has the 2nd highest career yards per attempt in SB history with 9.85 yards, behind only Terry Bradshaw.
- Wilson has the 3rd highest career passer rating in SB history with a 117.39, behind only Joe Montana and Jim Plunkett.
- Wilson has the 6th highest career completion % in SB history with 65.22%.
- Wilson has the 4th highest yards per attempt in a SB game with 11.76 yards in SB49.
- Wilson's 1,877 rushing yards is second-most by a QB in the modern era through three seasons behind Cam Newton's 2,032 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has the most rushing yards for a QB in NFL history in his first three seasons with 2132 yards.
- Wilson led all NFL rushers in 2014 with an average of 7.2 yards per carry.
- Wilson has a record of having had a lead at some point in 56 straight games since 2012...the old record was 45 games...Also, in those 56 games, Wilson has never lost an NFL game by more than 9 points.
- Wilson has won 36 games in his first 3 seasons; three more than any other QB in NFL history.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has won 42 games in his first three seasons; 6 more than any other QB in NFL history.

A new accomplishment list:

(1) FIRST QB in NFL history to rush for over a 100 yards and throw for over a 300 yards in the same game.
(2) ONLY QB in NFL history to rush for over 500 yards, throw for over 4000 yards and throw 30 or more TDs in a season.
(3) Only QB in NFL history to accomplish No.2 while completing over 65% of his passes, rush for over 5 yards a carry, have a QBR over 70 and a passing rating over 100.
(4) SET NFL record for TD passes (26) as a rookie and 29 overall (with playoffs).
(5) Set NFL record for TD-INT ratio with a PLUS 16 as a rookie.
(6) Set NFL record for passing yards in a postseason game by a rookie (385).
(7) Set NFL record for total yards (445) in a postseason game by a rookie.
(8) One of 5 QBs ALL TIME to throw 20 or more TDs in each of his first 4 years in NFL history.
(9) One of 4 QBs in NFL history to throw 100 or more TDs his first 4 years.
(10) The ONLY QB in NFL history to post back to back 100 plus passing rating seasons in his first 2 years.
(11) The ONLY QB in NFL history to post 100 plus passing rating seasons in 3 of his first 4 years.
(12) The ONLY QB in NFL history to throw for more than 20 TDs with 10 or less INTs in his first 2, 3 or 4 years in NFL history.
(13) Lead NFL in yards per carry (7.2) in 2014.
(14) Led NFL in passing rating (110.1) in 2015.
(15) 3rd ALL TIME in QBR and passing rating in Super Bowl history.
(16) 2nd ALL TIME in yards per pass and yards per completion in Super Bowl history.
(17) 6th ALL TIME im completion percentage in Super Bowl history.
(18) His 4-1 TD-INT ratio in Super Bowl games is among the best ALL TIME in Super Bowl history.
(19) His 106 TD passes in his first 4 years is 3rd ALL TIME in regular season games in NFL history and his 122 TD passes including postseason games is 2nd ALL TIME.
(20) His 101.8 passing rating is 2nd ALL TIME in NFL history.
(21) His passing rating in postseason games is 5th ALL TIME in NFL history.
(22) His 64.7% completion percentage is 8th ALL TIME in NFL history and just 0.5 less than Aaron Rodgers and higher than Tom Brady's.
(23) He has the 3rd best TD-INT ratio in NFL history.
(24) He has the most 100 plus passing rating games in his first 4 years in NFL history.
(25) He holds the record for the most games in his first 4 years with multiple TD passes and no INTs.
(26) He set a NFL record last year with 5 straight games throwing 3 or more TDs with no INTs-going 19-0 in that span.
(27) He is the ONLY QB in NFL history to have 5 straight games completing 70% or more passes with a QBR over 125.
(28) He won multiple ROY Awards in 2012.
(29) He was the Pro Bowl MVP in 2015.
(30) He was the second youngest QB to win a Super Bowl.
(31) He is the ONLY starting QB to go to 2 Super Bowls in his first 3 years.
(32) The largest come from behind win in NFC title game history was led by him in 2014.
(33) Had his defense not blown the 2012 playoff game at Atlanta in 2012, that would have been the largest rally in NFL postseason history.
(34) He's 11-2 in games against Super Bowl winning QBs with 22 TDs with just 6 INTs while those same QBs were 2-11 with 17 TDs with 16 INTs.
(35) Since 2012-he's been the best best QB in completion percentage.
(36) Since 2012-he's been the 3ed best QB in QBR.
(37) Since 2012 he's rushed for the 2nd most yards by a QB and has the best yards per carry by a QB.
(38) Since 2012-he's had the 3rd best TD-INT ratio.
(39) Since 2012-he's No.1 in yards per pass and yards per completion.
(40) Since 2012-he's had the 8th best completion percentage.
(41) Since 2012-he's won the 2nd most games in the NFL by a QB.
(42) Since 2012-he's won the most postseason games.
(43) Since 2012-Wilson, Rodgers, Dalton and Brady are the only QBs to make the playoffs each year.
(44) He has the 3rd best winning percentage in the NFL.
(45) Since 2012-he is the only QB in the NFL to have not lost a game by 10 or more points (in fact, he's the only QB in NFL history that can say this).
(46) In 74 career games-his team has had a lead in 72 of them-most in NFL history.
(47) He has the Seattle records for TD passes in a season, passing yards in a season, most TD passes in a game (twice), best QBR, passing rating and completion percentages by a rookie, in a season and for a career.
(48) He led Seattle in yards per carry in 2012, 2013 and 2014 and has had a higher average than Marshawn Lynch every year.
(49) He has thrown the most postseason TD passes in Seahawk history.
(50) He is the ONLY current QB in the NFL with winning records against Brees, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Newton, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Cutler and is .500 against Brady.
(51) He is the ONLY current NFL starting QB to throw for over 100 career TDs in FCS football (109) and ONLY Derek Carr (115) threw more and he did his in the lower FBS.
SO IF THIS IS A MEDIOCRE QB, EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL BETTER GET THEM ONE!
 

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2007 Hass was better.
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"Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB's in his first three seasons" ........ :th2thumbs:
 
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hawksfansinceday1":1s3g0k4f said:
2007 Hass was better.
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"Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB's in his first three seasons" ........ :th2thumbs:


Here's another little tidbit for you...if you look at the stats below in their totality, I would say that Wilson's numbers are better than Peyton's.

Here are some stats for some QB's for their first three years:
Total yards (passing and rushing)- Peyton..12538; Wilson...11827; Marino...11445; Brady...6766
Total yards including postseason- Peyton...12979; Wilson...13902; Marino...13125; Brady...7360
Total TD's (passing and rushing)- Peyton...88; Wilson...83; Marino...100; Brady...47
Total TD's including postseason- Peyton...90; Wilson...97; Marino...113; Brady...49
Passer rating- Peyton...86.4; Wilson...98.6; Marino...96.4; Brady...85.9
TD%- Peyton...5.1; Wilson...5.8; Marino...6.9; Brady...4.5
INT%- Peyton...3.4; Wilson...2.1; Marino...3.1; Brady...2.6
Yards per attempt- Peyton...7.32; Wilson...7.95; Marino...8.01; Brady...6.5
Completion %- Peyton...60.39; Wilson...63.42; Marino...61.04; Brady...62.73
 

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Willyeye":1k2pvvck said:
hawksfansinceday1":1k2pvvck said:
2007 Hass was better.
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"Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB's in his first three seasons" ........ :th2thumbs:


Here's another little tidbit for you...if you look at the stats below in their totality, I would say that Wilson's numbers are better than Peyton's.

Here are some stats for some QB's for their first three years:
Total yards (passing and rushing)- Peyton..12538; Wilson...11827; Marino...11445; Brady...6766
Total yards including postseason- Peyton...12979; Wilson...13902; Marino...13125; Brady...7360
Total TD's (passing and rushing)- Peyton...88; Wilson...83; Marino...100; Brady...47
Total TD's including postseason- Peyton...90; Wilson...97; Marino...113; Brady...49
Passer rating- Peyton...86.4; Wilson...98.6; Marino...96.4; Brady...85.9
TD%- Peyton...5.1; Wilson...5.8; Marino...6.9; Brady...4.5
INT%- Peyton...3.4; Wilson...2.1; Marino...3.1; Brady...2.6
Yards per attempt- Peyton...7.32; Wilson...7.95; Marino...8.01; Brady...6.5
Completion %- Peyton...60.39; Wilson...63.42; Marino...61.04; Brady...62.73

Better/worse is subjective for a number of reasons but I didn't really look at your stats strictly based on legibility. Not sure if you're aware but there's a really handy comparison tool on pro-football-reference.com that makes these "comparisons" easier to digest.

http://pfref.com/tiny/oVFuK
 

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You spent a lot of time noting all of that but in reality the question should be "who was better"?

The only player who could argue he had a better first 3 years is Marino, but obviously Wilson and Marino went around their first 3 years in 2 very different manners. I'm happy to listen to anyone that argues for either of those 2, but I can't think of anyone else who would safely be considered in that company
 

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They certainly are great stats. I still don't understand how anyone can doubt his ability to be fair, the most exciting thing is he's going to get better and better!
 

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His efficiency is off the charts. But has any team passed less often in the last three years than the Seahawks? Not necessarily Russell's fault, but I kind of think this stat alone would disqualify anyone, Seahawk or not, from being the best in NFL history at something.
 

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Tical21":2rs9m88h said:
His efficiency is off the charts. But has any team passed less often in the last three years than the Seahawks? Not necessarily Russell's fault, but I kind of think this stat alone would disqualify anyone, Seahawk or not, from being the best in NFL history at something.

We were 27th in passing attempts in 2014, behind us were Minnesota, Kansas, SF, Jacksonville and the Jets.
 

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1. Steve Deberg

2. Tony Eason

3. Brian Sipe.

after that we can discuss where Wilson's first three years fall.
 

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These stats cannot be correct, he's to short....... :sarcasm_off:
 
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Tical21":1wykwf3d said:
His efficiency is off the charts. But has any team passed less often in the last three years than the Seahawks? Not necessarily Russell's fault, but I kind of think this stat alone would disqualify anyone, Seahawk or not, from being the best in NFL history at something.

Because everyone knows that pass attempts is the most important stat that QB's should be evaluated on, right? Besides, I think you might be confusing the issue...I NEVER said Wilson is the best in NFL history at anything...I said it could be argued that the totality of Wilson's first three years are better than the first three years of any other QB. To say that Wilson should be disqualified because his passing attempts are less than some other QB's (don't try to convince Montana fans of your theory) also ignores the fact that in just three years, Wilson is one of the most successful rushing QB's in NFL history.

Let's look at that logic: let's ignore the fact that Wilson is top 7 in NFL history in passing TD's for his first three years because he has less attempts than a lot of other QB's do; you understand that throwing MORE TD passes on LESS attempts is an even greater accomplishment, right? For his first three years, Wilson is ranked #7 in TD passes while being ranked #24 in pass attempts...that shows how truly great Wilson actually is. This equates to 23 QB's having more pass attempts than Wilson in their first three years, but 17 of those 23 were unable to throw as many TD passes as Wilson.

It kind of sounds like you are not a fan of the Seahawks style of football. The ultimate goal in football is to win games, not to see who can attempt the most passes. Andrew Luck has the most passing attempts in the last three years, and how many SB appearances has it got him? And that is a fact, even given the fact that Luck's schedule has been full of far weaker defenses than has Wilson's schedule over the last three years.
 

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Wilson has had the benefit of being in a very good situation for his first three years. I don't think admitting that takes any shine off his accomplishments. His clutch moments can't be taught, and there are times he looks like the best QB and athlete all in one, but he has had a great nest to grow in.

He won a job as a rookie, a job he began to win his first minicamp, when Pete started gushing about him. How many of the 32 teams would have slowed their roll on the rook and had him ride pine to learn just because? Probably at least 30 of them.

Like it or not, he benefits from Lynch, who genuinely scares defenses like few backs in history. Now, Lynch is not touching the ball every snap, Wilson makes plenty of plays that do not include Lynch, but what a good situation for a QB.

Wilson holds the ball and scrambles needlessly sometimes. It leads to both errors and spectacular big plays. Countless coaches would try to get him to eliminate the ad lib side of his game, but Pete encourages it at times. What a good situation for a QB.
 

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It's obviously because we have a good defense. I mean, the defense is totally responsible for everything Wilson has done on the offensive side of the ball, right ?

Sarcasm aside, I like what Scotte said. Wilson has benefitted from having Lynch behind him, but you play with what you're dealt, and Wilson has made the best of everything he's been given. People make a big deal about Luck's lack of a supporting cast, but most of the time Luck has been a QB, his OL has ranked better in pass protection than Wilson's. Also, it's hard to argue that Wilson has a great supporting cast on the offensive side of the ball.

Seriously, outside of Lynch, what skill positions do we have (or had) that are honestly above league average ? I'd argue Miller, Tate and Rice....and Rice only for stretches. He doesn't have elite weapons. It's honestly amazing how efficient he's been with the guys he's been throwing the ball to. Yea, some of that can be attributed to having a good running game, but only some of it.

The most encouraging stat I saw in that list was the comparison to Brady's stats. I honestly didn't think they were that low. After the last Superbowl, Brady is considered the GOAT.....but look at where he started. Wilson and Brady do have some common traits, and they start with work ethic and a desire to be the best. Wilson isn't like Stafford, who refuses to address flaws in his game. Many of us can find flaws and areas to improve in Wilson's game, and I'm betting he's already addressed those and is working hard to improve. He's probably found a few we didn't.

I'm not a fan of the max contact everyone of the media is espousing that Wilson will get. On our team, I'm not sure he's worth the most in terms of winning, but he's sure up there. But looking at those stats as a whole, it's hard not to argue he's worth a good 20 mil/year.
 
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Hey Willyeye,

Humor me here; what are your thoughts on the importance of a receiver's ability to draw double-team coverage?

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Scottemojo":1t9ufshh said:
Wilson has had the benefit of being in a very good situation for his first three years. I don't think admitting that takes any shine off his accomplishments. His clutch moments can't be taught, and there are times he looks like the best QB and athlete all in one, but he has had a great nest to grow in.

He won a job as a rookie, a job he began to win his first minicamp, when Pete started gushing about him. How many of the 32 teams would have slowed their roll on the rook and had him ride pine to learn just because? Probably at least 30 of them.

Like it or not, he benefits from Lynch, who genuinely scares defenses like few backs in history. Now, Lynch is not touching the ball every snap, Wilson makes plenty of plays that do not include Lynch, but what a good situation for a QB.

Wilson holds the ball and scrambles needlessly sometimes. It leads to both errors and spectacular big plays. Countless coaches would try to get him to eliminate the ad lib side of his game, but Pete encourages it at times. What a good situation for a QB.


I agree with what you say here, but would just add a couple of points: Lynch also benefits from Wilson. Defenses have to adjust their style of play when facing Wilson. Also, because the Hawks have Wilson, it allows them to have an O-Line that focuses much more on run-blocking than on pass-blocking. I suppose it could have zero effect, but it seems that ever since Lynch is playing next to Wilson, his game has improved quite a bit. Either way, Lynch is a beast and his ability to break tackles and punish defenses is more or less insane.

In addition, even with all of the advantages Wilson has playing on the Seahawks, he also has some disadvantages: the pass-blocking by his O-Line is horrible at times, and until now, he hasn't really had any star receivers.
 
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