Seahawks Secondary vs Patriots Secondary

At the beginning of the season the NFL "analyst" were saying that the Patriots secondary could over take Seattle. That clearly isnt the case. they were reaching there. Tryna to make a story. We already knew no one could rival the LOB!

Former LOB member Brandon Browner said something interesting during an interview this week.
Id have to say its the most absurd thing i heard all season.
Hes quoted, "Whoever win that game," he said. "Right or wrong? What you think? Whoever win that game, we have bragging rights."
Article: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -secondary

NA bro, take a step back, relax. Revis? Shermans better. Browner? we let you go! we got Maxwell hes better then you. he may not be as physical, buts his technique beats yours and he does get burned on plays like you and doesnt hold nearly as much as you do. Whos even their safeties? Tryna compare them to Earl and BamBam!? THE BEST SAFETY TANDEM IN THE LEAGUE?! what an insult to your Probowl brothers.

And plus, just cause you beat a team doesnt mean your secondary is better than theirs, thats complete ish. :141847_bnono:
so your implying that its secondary vs secondary. and nothing else matters out there... u know like special teams and all the other factors that dictate who wins..... IF that statement stands true, then if Seahawks win, we can say Wilson is better than Tom brady right? I mean Wilson is what, 8-0, 12-0, 15-0, against superbowl winning QB's? Something like that. So your telling me that Wilson is better than them? EXACTLY. Browner, take a seat. Put up the numbers we do then get back to me about #1 secondary. Dont worry, i can wait. :roll:

That quote is pretty much saying, "the Seahawks are better, but I'm not going to say it out loud."

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

50yrpatsfan":3h60l7h6 said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Haha. Thomas and Sherman are so much better than McCourty and Revis. It's not even close. Sherman would never get toasted by 35 year old Steve Smith.

I remember Baldwin beating Arrington really easily for a TD vs Pats 2 year ago. I hope we see that matchup a few times!!!

I have nothing wrong for what Browner said . I think the OP took this way more personal then it was intended .
Revis has played pretty damn good this year and Browner is better then Maxwell so stop playing . Obviously They're safeties can't even compare because we have the best two . Thomas and Chancellor are monsters .

That being said I agree with Browner . Winner will have bragging rights .

The match-up article on Bleacher ranked NE's corners ahead of ours because they like Browner more than Maxwell, and the back-ups better than ours. I think Maxwell is better than both of his predecessors. Thurmond replaced Browner, and even when he got healthy, Maxwell started over Thurmond.

I think the only real frustrating play that Maxwell made all season was failing to pick-off Romo in the endzone. Regardless, he still did his job by preventing the reception on that play, so you can't fault him too much.

Sarlacc83":3swe6vce said:

50yrpatsfan":3swe6vce said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Haha. Thomas and Sherman are so much better than McCourty and Revis. It's not even close. Sherman would never get toasted by 35 year old Steve Smith.

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Disagree. Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up. Patriots can scheme Sherman out of play by lining up their targets on the other side. Revis is also stickier and better at getting through traffic. Where Sherman is great is his length and ability to take away deep routes, but Pats don't throw deep.

I'm not saying McCourty is better than Thomas, but I prefer McCourty for us. They're a lot closer than you think. McCourty is a former CB, great tackler, great positional safety, doesn't drop INT's..

Arrington is a slot corner, actually our fastest CB, but not that great on the outside where he was forced to play the last time we faced you a few years back. But what I've seen of Lane, he's pretty good too.

Chancellor is the x factor, he makes a lot of big plays. Just not sure how he'll play into this game plan. He's 30 lbs lighter than Gronk and 2" shorter, and Gronkowski runs like a beast, so not the normal intimidation factor there. Edelman is too tricky to get hit hard by him, but God help Amendola if he runs into Kam.

A key guy for the Patriots is LaFell. I could see him being a tough cover for Maxwell. He's been dinged up but he'll be at full strength in 2 weeks. He's 6'3", fearless and physical.

50yrpatsfan":lejaqjkf said:

Sarlacc83":lejaqjkf said:

50yrpatsfan":lejaqjkf said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Haha. Thomas and Sherman are so much better than McCourty and Revis. It's not even close. Sherman would never get toasted by 35 year old Steve Smith.

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Disagree. Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up. Patriots can scheme Sherman out of play by lining up their targets on the other side. Revis is also stickier and better at getting through traffic. Where Sherman is great is his length and ability to take away deep routes, but Pats don't throw deep.

I'm not saying McCourty is better than Thomas, but I prefer McCourty for us. They're a lot closer than you think. McCourty is a former CB, great tackler, great positional safety, doesn't drop INT's..

Arrington is a slot corner, actually our fastest CB, but not that great on the outside where he was forced to play the last time we faced you a few years back. But what I've seen of Lane, he's pretty good too.

Chancellor is the x factor, he makes a lot of big plays. Just not sure how he'll play into this game plan. He's 30 lbs lighter than Gronk and 2" shorter, and Gronkowski runs like a beast, so not the normal intimidation factor there. Edelman is too tricky to get hit hard by him, but God help Amendola if he runs into Kam.

A key guy for the Patriots is LaFell. I could see him being a tough cover for Maxwell. He's been dinged up but he'll be at full strength in 2 weeks. He's 6'3", fearless and physical.

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And despite all these supposed advantages NE has in their pass defense they only ranked #12 in weighted DVOA in Pass Defense (Seattle ranked #3).

the best FS, defensive player of the year candidate (3rd in voting last year), is Earl Thomas and anyone who would take McCourty over him is high.

The best SS in the league is Kam.

The best CB in the league is Sherm.

Browner was benched before he was suspended and Maxwell started over him.

This really isn't an arguement.



after all that, every stat backs it up too and the defense has been at a historic level for 3 straight years.

50yrpatsfan":3ehedszh said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Pats fan - I'd listen to every bit of your argument, and it has a lot of merit. Except for that one part, and you knew it was coming too.

I'd rather have Sherman than Revis because I think he's a little better at baiting the QB and has unparralled ball skills for a CB. Buuuut - Revis is probably a better natural corner. It's damn close. To each their own. No worries at all.

Personally, I was a huge Browner fan. I know about the penalties but I miss the toughness. Maxwell is good, and as far as talent, there is no drop off (Max may be better) but I just miss BB. Happy with either.

Lane / Arrington - don't know enough about Arrington to really say. Lane is a blur, and perhaps our 2nd best special teams player (other than the specialists). Can't / wont make an argument either way.

Chancellor is the best SS in the league. I think we all agree. Next.

WHY IN THE HELL would you take McCourtney over Thomas. That's the dumbest thing a potentially smart football fan ever said. You clearly have your reasons, and I want to hear them. They're dead wrong. Thomas is on the short list for (the real) Defensive MVP. He'll never win, but he's the linchpin to our whole D.

Speed. Ball Skills. Hits like a truck. Heart of a lion.

I mean honestly, I can't even fathom an argument for McCourtny.

Please. Proceed.

Edit: Saw your reasons there. Let me guess - you saw the dropped int in the divisional game and made up your mind?

50yrpatsfan":32i4j5bv said:

- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung

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Oh, how generous of you. :roll:

50yrpatsfan":2byqbisy said:

Sarlacc83":2byqbisy said:

50yrpatsfan":2byqbisy said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Haha. Thomas and Sherman are so much better than McCourty and Revis. It's not even close. Sherman would never get toasted by 35 year old Steve Smith.

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Disagree. Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up. Patriots can scheme Sherman out of play by lining up their targets on the other side. Revis is also stickier and better at getting through traffic. Where Sherman is great is his length and ability to take away deep routes, but Pats don't throw deep.

I'm not saying McCourty is better than Thomas, but I prefer McCourty for us. They're a lot closer than you think. McCourty is a former CB, great tackler, great positional safety, doesn't drop INT's..

Arrington is a slot corner, actually our fastest CB, but not that great on the outside where he was forced to play the last time we faced you a few years back. But what I've seen of Lane, he's pretty good too.

Chancellor is the x factor, he makes a lot of big plays. Just not sure how he'll play into this game plan. He's 30 lbs lighter than Gronk and 2" shorter, and Gronkowski runs like a beast, so not the normal intimidation factor there. Edelman is too tricky to get hit hard by him, but God help Amendola if he runs into Kam.

A key guy for the Patriots is LaFell. I could see him being a tough cover for Maxwell. He's been dinged up but he'll be at full strength in 2 weeks. He's 6'3", fearless and physical.

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Somebody has never seen Earl (very possibly the best player in the NFL) Thomas play football before.

I love Revis and have a jersey of his, but the Seahawks have the 3 best DB's in the NFL. Sherman lines up all over the field if needed. Since you don't have any WR's worthy of his attention, he will not be doing so in the Super Bowl. He covered Nelson in the slot on 3rd down a handful of times, but Maxwell is so good, we don't need to send Sherman over to that side. Can't cover short routes? He is such glue on short routes that teams don't even bother trying because that is what you call a "house call."

Browner is good at what he does, and is a great matchup for TE's. But we're gonna double-move his arse and leave him 5 yards behind Lockette, as we have seen before.

LOB.

SirTed":2fef8f19 said:

50yrpatsfan":2fef8f19 said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Pats fan - I'd listen to every bit of your argument, and it has a lot of merit. Except for that one part, and you knew it was coming too.

I'd rather have Sherman than Revis because I think he's a little better at baiting the QB and has unparralled ball skills for a CB. Buuuut - Revis is probably a better natural corner. It's damn close. To each their own. No worries at all.

Personally, I was a huge Browner fan. I know about the penalties but I miss the toughness. Maxwell is good, and as far as talent, there is no drop off (Max may be better) but I just miss BB. Happy with either.

Lane / Arrington - don't know enough about Arrington to really say. Lane is a blur, and perhaps our 2nd best special teams player (other than the specialists). Can't / wont make an argument either way.

Chancellor is the best SS in the league. I think we all agree. Next.

WHY IN THE HELL would you take McCourtney over Thomas. That's the dumbest thing a potentially smart football fan ever said. You clearly have your reasons, and I want to hear them. They're dead wrong. Thomas is on the short list for (the real) Defensive MVP. He'll never win, but he's the linchpin to our whole D.

Speed. Ball Skills. Hits like a truck. Heart of a lion.

I mean honestly, I can't even fathom an argument for McCourtny.

Please. Proceed.

Edit: Saw your reasons there. Let me guess - you saw the dropped int in the divisional game and made up your mind?

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I've watched Thomas play and he's great. Reminds me of Bob Sanders of the Colts in his prime. McCourty for NE is the perfect fit. He played 2 years at corner, can cover a WR but also very good covering TE's, extremely sure tackler (though not what I'd call an explosive hitter), retuned kicks, high end speed, always where he's supposed to be, always a team captain wherever he's played. Very smart, good at disguising coverages and makes all the DB calls.

50yrpatsfan":1owi1yi2 said:

Sarlacc83":1owi1yi2 said:

50yrpatsfan":1owi1yi2 said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Haha. Thomas and Sherman are so much better than McCourty and Revis. It's not even close. Sherman would never get toasted by 35 year old Steve Smith.

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Disagree. Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up. Patriots can scheme Sherman out of play by lining up their targets on the other side. Revis is also stickier and better at getting through traffic. Where Sherman is great is his length and ability to take away deep routes, but Pats don't throw deep.

I'm not saying McCourty is better than Thomas, but I prefer McCourty for us. They're a lot closer than you think. McCourty is a former CB, great tackler, great positional safety, doesn't drop INT's..

Arrington is a slot corner, actually our fastest CB, but not that great on the outside where he was forced to play the last time we faced you a few years back. But what I've seen of Lane, he's pretty good too.

Chancellor is the x factor, he makes a lot of big plays. Just not sure how he'll play into this game plan. He's 30 lbs lighter than Gronk and 2" shorter, and Gronkowski runs like a beast, so not the normal intimidation factor there. Edelman is too tricky to get hit hard by him, but God help Amendola if he runs into Kam.

A key guy for the Patriots is LaFell. I could see him being a tough cover for Maxwell. He's been dinged up but he'll be at full strength in 2 weeks. He's 6'3", fearless and physical.

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We have the number 1 passing defense in the league. You have the number 17- Slightly below average. Nuff said, its not even an argument. You're not even close. We are the best and you are slightly below average. How can you even begin to try to make this argument?

EastCoastHawksFan":2p99ogaa said:

I have nothing wrong for what Browner said . I think the OP took this way more personal then it was intended .
Revis has played pretty damn good this year and Browner is better then Maxwell so stop playing . Obviously They're safeties can't even compare because we have the best two . Thomas and Chancellor are monsters .

That being said I agree with Browner . Winner will have bragging rights .

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So when Maxwell came in and started playing and allowed the 2nd lowest QB rating against with #1 being Sherman while making a ton of big plays and getting turnovers, Browner was better?

50yrpatsfan":muriroub said:

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

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Whoa man, is that stuff legal in Maine? imp:

Two of the four guys in the best backfield (statistically, eye test, whatever) in the league you'd take other guys over? This Seahawks defense is talked about in the same breaths as the '85 Bears, the Steel Curtain, the Purple People Eaters, and with good reason. It ain't because of the linebackers, and it sure ain't because of the defensive line.

Earl Thomas is a perennial Pro Bowler and straight up better than any other safety out there. Sherman is absolutely better than Revis, statistically and otherwise. You say it's because Sherman "can't" play both sides of the field, but you misspelled "doesn't". He can and has before matched up with #1 receivers man on man and has shut them down. The Seahawks do this only rarely, when a team has a clear #1 and a huge drop-off at receiver after that. Otherwise it's better scheme-wise for him to just take one half of the field away from the opposing quarterback's options and let the rest of the defense play on a smaller field.

Man, whoever said Browner is better than Maxwell is delusional. I'd pick Maxwell over Browner any day. I like Browner, but just not over Maxwell. Sorry dude.

If Sherman and Thomas are not 100% for the Super Bowl then for the Super Bowl the Patriots will have a better secondary for that one game.

But with regards to depth the Patriots have the deepest secondary in the NFL...

CB's...
Revis
Browner
Arrington
Ryan
Butler

Safety's...
McCourty
Chung
Harmon
Wilson
Ebner

I'd take Revis over Sherman. Revis plays both sides of the field, he can play in the slot where ever. They put Revis on the other team's best WR and shadow him the entire game. Sherman only plays one side of the field, his strong side.

In fact I'd take Revis and Vontae Davis over Sherman. All stats show Davis is the best CB in the game. So Sherman might not be in the top 2 or 3 best CB's in the game.

idahawks":3omz5hjt said:

We have the number 1 passing defense in the league. You have the number 17- Slightly below average. Nuff said, its not even an argument. You're not even close. We are the best and you are slightly below average. How can you even begin to try to make this argument?

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That is due to the Seahawks playing in the NFC West against teams with no offenses this season. Two of the teams (Cardinals, Rams) lost their QB's.

The Pats play in a weak division too in the AFC East but they had to play the Chiefs, Bengals, Broncos, Bears, Colts, Lions, Packers, Chargers against high powered offenses. And yes, the Dolphins have a better offense than the Rams and Cardinals especially after they lost their QB's due to injury.

Dolphins...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... a/2014.htm

Seahawks...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... a/2014.htm

The Pats basically were on cruise control for the last 2 games of the season. They played half the game of the last game of the season because they already clinched the #1 seed so those season stats don't tell the whole story.

Seahawks...
Scored 394 points (24.6/g), 14th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 254 points (15.9/g), 1st.
Differential of 140 points (8.8/g), 3rd.

Patriots...
Scored 468 points (29.2/g), 4th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 313 points (19.6/g), 8th.
Differential of 155 points (9.7/g), 1st.

Overall the Pats are just a little more balanced.

hawknation2015":pamr8htn said:

50yrpatsfan":pamr8htn said:

- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung

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Oh, how generous of you. :roll:

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But just barely!