Let the 2012 Draftees Signings begin....

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Bruce's fifth year option will likely be activated, I wouldn't be surprised if Sweezy gets extended too, and possibly Turbin (both on shorter deals than Wilson and Bobby I'd guess). Lane would likely earn more elsewhere as Seahawks' DBs tend to of late. At this point it's difficult to see us extending him but not inconceivable, It may depend on what we do with Byron given his ability to play in the slot.

What a great draft class.
 

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SomersetHawk":2bm81cx4 said:
Bruce's fifth year option will likely be activated, I wouldn't be surprised if Sweezy gets extended too, and possibly Turbin (both on shorter deals than Wilson and Bobby I'd guess). Lane would likely earn more elsewhere as Seahawks' DBs tend to of late. At this point it's difficult to see us extending him but not inconceivable, It may depend on what we do with Byron given his ability to play in the slot.

What a great draft class.

Great draft class? But Mel kiper gave the Seahawks an F. :roll:
 

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oldhawkfan":1446h3xz said:
SomersetHawk":1446h3xz said:
Bruce's fifth year option will likely be activated, I wouldn't be surprised if Sweezy gets extended too, and possibly Turbin (both on shorter deals than Wilson and Bobby I'd guess). Lane would likely earn more elsewhere as Seahawks' DBs tend to of late. At this point it's difficult to see us extending him but not inconceivable, It may depend on what we do with Byron given his ability to play in the slot.

What a great draft class.

Great draft class? But Mel kiper gave the Seahawks an F. :roll:

F...as in Future looks OUTSTANDING???? Ahhh..... :twisted:
 

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Curious to see what the 5th year option will cost for Irvin with our Cap situation. The 2014 numbers for DE was $6.969M and for LB it was $7.038M.
 

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SomersetHawk":1fax36t1 said:
Bruce's fifth year option will likely be activated, I wouldn't be surprised if Sweezy gets extended too, and possibly Turbin (both on shorter deals than Wilson and Bobby I'd guess). Lane would likely earn more elsewhere as Seahawks' DBs tend to of late. At this point it's difficult to see us extending him but not inconceivable, It may depend on what we do with Byron given his ability to play in the slot.

What a great draft class.

It was a great draft class. Most of the value came from player development. Irvin needed a position switch and three years of coaching to become a good player, Wagner developed from a "glue that holds the defense together" LB to a star, Turbin went from a mediocre 3rd down specialist to a borderline starter, Lane, Sweezy, Kearse, etc. And then you have the one guy who was born to be a star in Wilson, the power ball number of the 2012 draft.

Bruce won't have his 5th year option kick in until 2016. I'm not sure they'd use it anyway, it's not cheap. If they were chill with that kind of money I think they would just sign Irvin to an extension instead. I think the team will use 2015 to evaluate Irvin vs. Pierre-Louis.

I think the most amazing thing about Pete's player development program is that he is capable of turning some dim bulbs into savvy football players. Byron Maxwell doesn't sound like a nobel laureate when he interviews, but when he's playing corner he's the wiliest sumbitch on the field. Starting to see a little of that "game smarts" with Bruce Irvin too.
 

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Bigbadhawk":i21chvku said:
Curious to see what the 5th year option will cost for Irvin with our Cap situation. The 2014 numbers for DE was $6.969M and for LB it was $7.038M.

That's a good point. From what I understand because Bruce was picked outside of the top 10 his fifth year option would be the average of the 3-25 top salary players at his position; which would likely put him north of $7M (IMO too steep)

Perhaps it would make more sense to extend him instead. Interesting decisions to be made.
 

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Think of it this way, if there was a re-draft.

Russell Wilson would be the 2nd QB taken.

Bobby Wagner would flirt with being a top 10 pick overall and would be a bonafide top 20 pick.

I still think Irvin gets taken in the first round: 16-32 range.

JR Sweezy, Robert Turbin, and Jeremy Lane would probably all flirt with the late 3rd Round/early 4th round range.

In a couple of more years if Turbin and Lane become servicable starters for us or other teams they'd probably push their stock into the late 2nd round.

If JR Sweezy becomes the dominant Pro Bowl OG many believe he'll transform into, his stock jumps to the late 1st/early 2nd status (and he was a 7th round pick).

But to hit on Wagner in round 2 and then Wilson in round 3... that's just extraordinary FO/scouting work.
 

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kearly":3a0oia54 said:
It was a great draft class. Most of the value came from player development. Irvin needed a position switch and three years of coaching to become a good player, Wagner developed from a "glue that holds the defense together" LB to a star, Turbin went from a mediocre 3rd down specialist to a borderline starter, Lane, Sweezy, Kearse, etc. And then you have the one guy who was born to be a star in Wilson, the power ball number of the 2012 draft.

Bruce won't have his 5th year option kick in until 2016. I'm not sure they'd use it anyway, it's not cheap. If they were chill with that kind of money I think they would just sign Irvin to an extension instead. I think the team will use 2015 to evaluate Irvin vs. Pierre-Louis.

I think the most amazing thing about Pete's player development program is that he is capable of turning some dim bulbs into savvy football players. Byron Maxwell doesn't sound like a nobel laureate when he interviews, but when he's playing corner he's the wiliest sumbitch on the field. Starting to see a little of that "game smarts" with Bruce Irvin too.

Nice post, our ability to develop players is unparalleled, I think part of it's that we offer one of the shortest bridges from college game in our ethos. There's so much pressure on guys coming out to make an instant impact or they'll be labelled as a bust, but we provide an atmosphere where they can feel comfortable, where they're not thrown into the fire but are given the opportunity to develop naturally, and eventually turn their weaknesses into strengths.

We hear so many interviews where our players are saying that the coaches just 'let them play', we don't overcomplicate it for them, we pick them on their strengths and let them play to them.

It's something which has certainly been evident with Bruce, who previously being used exclusively as a pass rusher because of his weakness against the run, is now turning into a very well rounded linebacker; something I certainly could not foresee.

It also went down similarly with Golden, though I expect we probably would have liked a slightly more immediate impact.

Perhaps not the greatest example but Carpenter would very possibly be out of the league by now had he been drafted by some other teams. Our patience and willingness to develop his strengths at the guard position (after allegedly drafting him as a tackle) will likely net him reasonable second contract (or a lot more than he'd have made not playing football), though it will probably be for another team.

And Brandon Browner's another guy who we gave the opportunity to thrive. After leaving he even voiced how appreciative he is of this organisation in allowing him to earn his nice salary.

We truly are spoilt by this FO, and I myself feel a little guilty having only supported them properly for not much longer than five years. Some of you guys have been here since the start and sucked it up through the 90s.
 

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SomersetHawk":fi1fkunc said:
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Curious to see what the 5th year option will cost for Irvin with our Cap situation. The 2014 numbers for DE was $6.969M and for LB it was $7.038M.

That's a good point. From what I understand because Bruce was picked outside of the top 10 his fifth year option would be the average of the 3-25 top salary players at his position; which would likely put him north of $7M (IMO too steep)

Perhaps it would make more sense to extend him instead. Interesting decisions to be made.

Yeah the numbers i posted was for the tier 2 pay grade (first rounders picked between 11-32). I did forget his 5th year wouldn't be for another full year though. My only concern is if he would be worth that much for 1 year of service or if the hawks will use the 5th year option to buy time for a new contract before the season begins. I believe they would do the later so wrap him up longer term while keeping his cap hit a little lower for the year.
 

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It's honestly amazing how well the FO has managed things from a cap perspective.

Both Wagner and Wilson will likely be extended, which means we wouldn't have to completely backload one or both contracts, as we can pull some cash forward from signing bonuses and add that to their very low cap hits for this next year.

Lane is probably gone as is Maxwell. If Simon can stay healthy, he actually looks like an upgrade to Maxwell (he's at least as good right now and he has far less experience), while I think Burley can step in for Lane fairly seamlessly. I think we miss more from Lane on ST than on defense to be honest. Then we also have Jefferson (who I thought looked really good at the beginning of the season) coming back as well as that big CB from SD State (forget his name). It's amazing the secondary depth we keep managing to come up with. That isn't even mentioning Shead. I think we lose Jeron Johnson this year, and I think he's a starting caliber Safety that gets picked up somewhere else.

Kearly brings up a very good point in Ivrin vs. KPL. If Kevin Pierre-Lewis didn't flash like he did this year, I think the FO extends Irvin after his year he had. If it were me, I'd do it now and not pick up his option; we could get a lot more value now, and I'm betting Irvin would be amicable to a fair deal for him and a team friendly deal for the Hawks. As of right now, I see it being hard for KPL to unseat Irvin; KPL is fast as hell (I'd be interested to see if he's actually faster than Irvin or not), but he's a bit light in the pants and he's already shown he isn't as durable as Irvin has proven to be. 255 lb players than run a 4.4 forty are pretty rare.

It's mind blowing what they did with Irvin. I saw flashes of it last year, but you really can't tell how well a player can pick things up and adapt to a new position until he does it. You can't coach instinct, and Irvin has shown surpisingly good insticts in his new position. With Irvin's athleticism, it's going to be hard to replace him, especially if he continues to develop. He'd be a stunning 3-4 OLB with as good as he can play with his hand in the dirt. There's a lot of teams out there that will pay him good money if we don't lock him up soon.

It's an exciting time to be a Hawk fan, that's for sure.
 

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Hawks46":298sbim5 said:
It's honestly amazing how well the FO has managed things from a cap perspective.

Both Wagner and Wilson will likely be extended, which means we wouldn't have to completely backload one or both contracts, as we can pull some cash forward from signing bonuses and add that to their very low cap hits for this next year.

Lane is probably gone as is Maxwell. If Simon can stay healthy, he actually looks like an upgrade to Maxwell (he's at least as good right now and he has far less experience), while I think Burley can step in for Lane fairly seamlessly. I think we miss more from Lane on ST than on defense to be honest. Then we also have Jefferson (who I thought looked really good at the beginning of the season) coming back as well as that big CB from SD State (forget his name). It's amazing the secondary depth we keep managing to come up with. That isn't even mentioning Shead. I think we lose Jeron Johnson this year, and I think he's a starting caliber Safety that gets picked up somewhere else.

Kearly brings up a very good point in Ivrin vs. KPL. If Kevin Pierre-Lewis didn't flash like he did this year, I think the FO extends Irvin after his year he had. If it were me, I'd do it now and not pick up his option; we could get a lot more value now, and I'm betting Irvin would be amicable to a fair deal for him and a team friendly deal for the Hawks. As of right now, I see it being hard for KPL to unseat Irvin; KPL is fast as hell (I'd be interested to see if he's actually faster than Irvin or not), but he's a bit light in the pants and he's already shown he isn't as durable as Irvin has proven to be. 255 lb players than run a 4.4 forty are pretty rare.

It's mind blowing what they did with Irvin. I saw flashes of it last year, but you really can't tell how well a player can pick things up and adapt to a new position until he does it. You can't coach instinct, and Irvin has shown surpisingly good insticts in his new position. With Irvin's athleticism, it's going to be hard to replace him, especially if he continues to develop. He'd be a stunning 3-4 OLB with as good as he can play with his hand in the dirt. There's a lot of teams out there that will pay him good money if we don't lock him up soon.

It's an exciting time to be a Hawk fan, that's for sure.


Exciting times indeed! Love what we've seen from KP-L, but he'll have to prove he can stay healthy for more than a few games.
 
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