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  • This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.

    And Tedric seeing so few passes come his way is, at least in part, an artifact of a gimpy and Tom Cable-coached Raiders O-line being unable to protect long enough to set up any deep routes.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.


    Is it?
    They gave up 42 with Earl and Maxwell (LOB members) late last season, so I'm not so sure about that.
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  • LOB lives on :)

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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.

    And Tedric seeing so few passes come his way is, at least in part, an artifact of a gimpy and Tom Cable-coached Raiders O-line being unable to protect long enough to set up any deep routes.


    The Rams were averaging 35+ a game before us, so it's no slight to Thompson and McDougald.

    The more important thing for me is how damn physical the secondary is playing, we're getting back to bullying WR corps like the old days................to the tune of knocking four WR's out of the game in two weeks.

    THAT'S what I like about how these guys are playing, stats aside.
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  • Nothing negative to take away from this thread. That right there is something to hang your hat on.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.

    And Tedric seeing so few passes come his way is, at least in part, an artifact of a gimpy and Tom Cable-coached Raiders O-line being unable to protect long enough to set up any deep routes.


    The Rams were averaging 35+ a game before us, so it's no slight to Thompson and McDougald.


    It isn't an endorsement, either. Giving up 33 points at home is not conducive to a...

    Oh wait, never mind, we weren't expecting a playoff run, so it's ok for these guys to play the Brandon Browner deceptively-bad game. Cool.

    Jury's still out on Tedric for me. I was sold on McDougald last year.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
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    MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.

    And Tedric seeing so few passes come his way is, at least in part, an artifact of a gimpy and Tom Cable-coached Raiders O-line being unable to protect long enough to set up any deep routes.


    The Rams were averaging 35+ a game before us, so it's no slight to Thompson and McDougald.


    It isn't an endorsement, either. Giving up 33 points at home is not conducive to a...

    Oh wait, never mind, we weren't expecting a playoff run, so it's ok for these guys to play the Brandon Browner deceptively-bad game. Cool.

    Jury's still out on Tedric for me. I was sold on McDougald last year.


    Are you going to blame the D-line as well? Cause you can't cover a WR corp like the Rams have for 5-6 seconds every snap because your D-line can't get pressure on Goff.

    My point was the Rams have done that to every team they've played, the combo of Goff, their great O-line and arguably the best WR corp in the league is a tough match for any secondary.
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  • Ok show me the team that has shut down the Rams since they started to roll.
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  • chris98251 wrote:Ok show me the team that has shut down the Rams since they started to roll.


    Since last season the Rams have been held under 20 points just 3 times.

    Seattle held them to 16
    Minnesota held them to 7
    SF held them to 13 and destroyed them 34-13

    Pretty much it.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:
    The more important thing for me is how damn physical the secondary is playing, we're getting back to bullying WR corps like the old days................to the tune of knocking four WR's out of the game in two weeks.

    THAT'S what I like about how these guys are playing, stats aside.


    I've actually seen some chatter about this on other boards. There's this grudging admiration that while it seems like every other team is afraid to play defense now, Seattle just continues to hit like it's the old days. I mean even when they hit the QB, they weren't exactly micromanaging their body weight.
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  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.

    And Tedric seeing so few passes come his way is, at least in part, an artifact of a gimpy and Tom Cable-coached Raiders O-line being unable to protect long enough to set up any deep routes.


    The Rams were averaging 35+ a game before us, so it's no slight to Thompson and McDougald.


    It isn't an endorsement, either. Giving up 33 points at home is not conducive to a...

    Oh wait, never mind, we weren't expecting a playoff run, so it's ok for these guys to play the Brandon Browner deceptively-bad game. Cool.

    Jury's still out on Tedric for me. I was sold on McDougald last year.



    Seriously... can't it be both?

    Can't the two be good and struggled?
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  • Progresses are seldom linear, there will be some struggle at times, but I am so looking forward to seeing our safeties and LOB v2 towards the later part of this season.

    With our new ownership, Pete probably will not be back, so I am going to enjoy our defense as it last.

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  • Jac wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:
    The more important thing for me is how damn physical the secondary is playing, we're getting back to bullying WR corps like the old days................to the tune of knocking four WR's out of the game in two weeks.

    THAT'S what I like about how these guys are playing, stats aside.


    I've actually seen some chatter about this on other boards. There's this grudging admiration that while it seems like every other team is afraid to play defense now, Seattle just continues to hit like it's the old days. I mean even when they hit the QB, they weren't exactly micromanaging their body weight.



    Credit Pete and his coaches for how clinical and thorough they are with teaching proper tackling techniques.

    I know people are saying McDougald's hit last week was illegal, but it's really the first time our aggressive and physical tackling has been called into question.

    I'm not always enamored with how Pete runs his offense, but make no mistake he's one of the greatest defensive schemers and coaches of all time, especially at the DB position.
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  • If Thomson and Flower keep their development, we could be really good.

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  • I like them so far
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  • Fire Pete, it's all on Russ, OL sucks, running backs don't matter, we lose every game without Earl, etc.

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  • It's still early in the season but what these stats and the current product on the field show me is that our defense's success has more to do with the system than the players. It looks to me like our "system" creates stars not the other way around! It's too bad some of our stars didnt see it that way.
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  • SpokaneHawks wrote:It's still early in the season but what these stats and the current product on the field show me is that our defense's success has more to do with the system than the players. It looks to me like our "system" creates stars not the other way around! It's too bad some of our stars didnt see it that way.


    If one would to review ex-hawks defense stars, most were low round picks, castoffs, or un-drafted, these guys excelled with Hawks. Earl being an exception. Our current defense lineup? I saw a few low rounders, castoffs, and un-drafted.

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  • toffee wrote:
    SpokaneHawks wrote:It's still early in the season but what these stats and the current product on the field show me is that our defense's success has more to do with the system than the players. It looks to me like our "system" creates stars not the other way around! It's too bad some of our stars didnt see it that way.


    If one would to review ex-hawks defense stars, most were low round picks, castoffs, or un-drafted, these guys excelled with Hawks. Earl being an exception. Our current defense lineup? I saw a few low rounders, castoffs, and un-drafted.

    Well, one of the reasons, remember, is that players like Sherm were "too big" to play corner. It was felt that players his size could not be agile enough to keep up with WRs in the league. Meanwhile WRs kept getting bigger and bigger when the average DB around the league hovered around 5'10"-6'0". Sherm and Browner were a bit of an anomaly for their time.

    But the scheme helps them by encouraging them to be more physical, and play more press where they can bump the WR and disrupt their patterns. They play on the edge of being illegal when it comes to contact, but they have to. It works, though they get maybe more penalties than other secondaries.

    Now, the rest of the league is catching up and everybody is looking for tall, long armed CBs. Players like Sherm are not necessarily dropping to the 5th round as often.
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  • sutz wrote:
    toffee wrote:
    SpokaneHawks wrote:It's still early in the season but what these stats and the current product on the field show me is that our defense's success has more to do with the system than the players. It looks to me like our "system" creates stars not the other way around! It's too bad some of our stars didnt see it that way.


    If one would to review ex-hawks defense stars, most were low round picks, castoffs, or un-drafted, these guys excelled with Hawks. Earl being an exception. Our current defense lineup? I saw a few low rounders, castoffs, and un-drafted.

    Well, one of the reasons, remember, is that players like Sherm were "too big" to play corner. It was felt that players his size could not be agile enough to keep up with WRs in the league. Meanwhile WRs kept getting bigger and bigger when the average DB around the league hovered around 5'10"-6'0". Sherm and Browner were a bit of an anomaly for their time.

    But the scheme helps them by encouraging them to be more physical, and play more press where they can bump the WR and disrupt their patterns. They play on the edge of being illegal when it comes to contact, but they have to. It works, though they get maybe more penalties than other secondaries.

    Now, the rest of the league is catching up and everybody is looking for tall, long armed CBs. Players like Sherm are not necessarily dropping to the 5th round as often.


    I am liking our LOB V2, btw, bye bye Earl.

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  • Seymour wrote:
    chris98251 wrote:Ok show me the team that has shut down the Rams since they started to roll.


    Since last season the Rams have been held under 20 points just 3 times.

    Seattle held them to 16
    Minnesota held them to 7
    SF held them to 13 and destroyed them 34-13

    Pretty much it.

    That last one is the game from last year when the Rams Sat EVERYDAMNBODY.
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  • We have Tre and Tedric, both new and unproven. Wondering if the opposing OCs will test them?

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  • Seymour wrote:
    MontanaHawk05 wrote:This is better than I expected, but they're not there yet. Giving up 33 points to the Rams at home is a problem.


    Is it?
    They gave up 42 with Earl and Maxwell (LOB members) late last season, so I'm not so sure about that.


    This.

    I wasn't excited by all the zone defense. The Hawks had a lot of mistakes in all three phases and coaching/clock management. Any one of which could have been the difference in 2 point loss to likely the best team in the league.

    The difference between last year and this year is clear. This team is competitive. The Hawks were a joke last year and not entertaining.

    The Hawks knew what they have in Tedric, that's why they were comfortable in waiting Earl out.
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  • Every game Tedric plays its seems Earl's price is going down. By the end of the season, ET3 might have to sell that Bentley to by some food for the family as people will recognize that most of the LOB's success was Pete's deft touch training and scheming DB's.

    LOB Next Gen is in the house and I'm excited to see how they hold up to Stafford, Rivers and Rodgers in upcoming weeks.
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