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Should the Seahawks draft for a new QB?
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:57 pm
  • They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.
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  • Mizak wrote:They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.


    IMHO, RW would flourish under those offensive minds (coaches). Not that RW hasn't had a commendable first 6 seasons.

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  • We'd have to spend a high first round pick. Unless we tank this year that means trading picks when we are light on them anyway this year.
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  • Not this year, no. Would make no sense whatsoever.
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  • Great question, however the NFL sadly isn't holding a draft at the moment. The next NFL draft should occur at the end of April in 2019 so this is probably a good topic to revisit then.
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  • Let the new coach draft "his" guy.

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  • Russ and his agent got all bent when JS scouted Josh Allen. I don't know how he'd react to being asked to mentor his eventual replacement.
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  • The Seahawks should always be looking to develop QB's behind Russell Wilson. If one of them even shows a modicum of promise, it could mean a second round draft pick or higher. The Seahawks have not shown much interest in doing this.
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:Russ and his agent got all bent when JS scouted Josh Allen. I don't know how he'd react to being asked to mentor his eventual replacement.


    That's actually quite revealing of Russ' true personality if he's so insecure about JS' mild interest in a Wyoming project QB.

    It certainly wouldn't hurt to scout and explore the QB classes of the next couple years. Perhaps a mid round gem could be found. The real question though is what a new regime here may do?
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  • KitsapGuy wrote:Russ and his agent got all bent when JS scouted Josh Allen. I don't know how he'd react to being asked to mentor his eventual replacement.


    Alex Smith did it twice.
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  • West TX Hawk wrote:
    KitsapGuy wrote:Russ and his agent got all bent when JS scouted Josh Allen. I don't know how he'd react to being asked to mentor his eventual replacement.


    That's actually quite revealing of Russ' true personality if he's so insecure about JS' mild interest in a Wyoming project QB.

    It certainly wouldn't hurt to scout and explore the QB classes of the next couple years. Perhaps a mid round gem could be found. The real question though is what a new regime here may do?


    Project QB or not, he was still projected to be a high first round pick. Now I don't know if there are any facts to back up that Russ and his agent were "bent", but if he wants to win games he should have been. I would have been pissed too if time and lots of draft capital were spent to move up to get someone at a position of strength instead of using the picks to try and get better at positions of weakness.
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  • You should ALWAYS be drafting and developing QB's, if not to replace your current starter but to trade for valuable picks.

    Look at all the picks the Patriots have got for trading their backups.

    - Cassell 2nd round pick
    - Mallet 7th round pick
    - Brissett traded for a starting WR
    - Garoppolo 2nd round pick

    Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.
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  • Probably not, but if we end up with a top 5 draft pick, I hope the front office at least has the discussion.
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  • Mizak wrote:They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.


    Best thing Wilson could teach a new QB is giving him the keys to the shark cage.

    No QB can flourish with a jailbreak oline, and that is the best Pete Carroll can build.
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  • Rat wrote:Probably not, but if we end up with a top 5 draft pick, I hope the front office at least has the discussion.

    If we end up with a top 5 pick I can think of several needs I'd take over a QB, like a rush end or a right O tackle for example.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:You should ALWAYS be drafting and developing QB's, if not to replace your current starter but to trade for valuable picks.

    Look at all the picks the Patriots have got for trading their backups.

    - Cassell 2nd round pick
    - Mallet 7th round pick
    - Brissett traded for a starting WR
    - Garoppolo 2nd round pick

    Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.

    100% this. I've always been on board with this philosophy. Also, the Redskins drafted Cousins in the 4th (I think) the same year they drafted Griffin. Drafting QBs in the mid round for development is good drafting.
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  • Why not, we drafted a RB in the 1st round that we didn't need....(either because we have or could've found a comparable RB, we are not a running team or the o-line is the issue).
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.


    Isn't Hundley in the last year of his contract?
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  • We already have Mr. Mcgough. He's the future
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  • Rat wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.


    Isn't Hundley in the last year of his contract?


    Yep, but my guess is we'll try to give him a reasonable backup salary type extension.

    Or who knows, I've given up trying to guess the reasons our FO does some of the trades we do. We just let a good DT go and now have to pay him anyway. Brilliant.
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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:You should ALWAYS be drafting and developing QB's, if not to replace your current starter but to trade for valuable picks....Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.


    I would say our FO has failed HORRIBLY at drafting.......period.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Mizak wrote:They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.


    Best thing Wilson could teach a new QB is giving him the keys to the shark cage.

    No QB can flourish with a jailbreak oline, and that is the best Pete Carroll can build.


    Don't disagree on the difficulty any QB would have when beset like Wilson is by severe pressure and all his hurries hits and the league leading number of sacks he takes.

    Objective evidence is mixed on this above opinion about an inability to create an effective Oline. Pete has had better an average Olines in the past and even here, but the team is less than season away from the Cable Fable that he could create beef from bull's feet. An effective RT and stronger OG play would fix a lot of Wilson's ills very dramatically.

    Don't think the team should draft a new Qb yet, but rather need to sell out to improve the RT position and obtain some pass rushers.
    Until we develop a pass rush that will cause opposing teams to be forced to scheme to defend it we will never be able to consistently take the final step. The interior rush needs improvement. The OLine clearly still needs work.

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  • HawkerD wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:You should ALWAYS be drafting and developing QB's, if not to replace your current starter but to trade for valuable picks....Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.


    I would say our FO has failed HORRIBLY at drafting.......period.


    I'd say mediocre to poor the last 3-4 years.........and certainly nowhere near the hit rate of the first three years.

    I said it before, I think Pete came out of college with a head start on scouting because he already had scouting information on just about every player in the draft, and took advantage with John, who's background was in scouting. Fast forward 5-6 years later, and that advantage has evaporated, and even deteriorated.
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  • No.

    Certainly no QBs worthy of early pick. But we don't have many picks to begin with (1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th). Can't waste it on a project QB this year.
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  • Yes absolutely should ...trade Russ for all you can get. Don’t think it will happen as long as Pete is coach
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  • If Wilson wants 30-35 million to stay then they should trade him and maybe get a first or high second round pick. If Wilson does what Brady has done play for less and give the Hawks more $$ to deal with then no . Too bad that it's all about money and not football anymore. :irishdrinkers:
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  • When was it not about money? Also I'm curious what salary you think Wilson should take for his next extension for you to be comfortable with the Hawks keeping him. Give us a dollar amount per year
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  • adeltaY wrote:When was it not about money? Also I'm curious what salary you think Wilson should take for his next extension for you to be comfortable with the Hawks keeping him. Give us a dollar amount per year

    I think what Wilson is getting paid right now is too much in the context of a Pete Carroll team. I would be okay with paying him a big sum if Pete Carroll was gone, and he was replaced by a guy who knows offense, or is at least a defensive guy who is willing to concede control over the offensive side of the ball.
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  • I mean you’re not wrong though..

    Our QB situation has to be one of the most unique in the league. Is it smart to pay someone like Russ 30m+ a year?

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But whatever benefits the team towards getting another ring I’m all for it. I love Russ but we have so many issues on this team that need improvement. Mostly on offense.

    It’s a weird time being a Seahawks fan. I love Russ, but he’s too expensive to build a team around. I love him and hope he retires as a hawk, but this team needs to win another Super Bowl if he’s with us for the long term.

    Our front office will make the best decision. I’m not a coach or work in the back end of operations, but this team needs to figure out its identity. Russ balls out when stuff hits the window.
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  • Mizak wrote:They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.


    Wilson is only in his 7th year.

    I assume you're implying the RW cannot get the job done.

    Remember 2012 and those comebacks. RW has the "it."

    Finding another "Wentz, Goff, or Mahomes" is very difficult to do. Many QBs drafted high don't pan out.

    Watson? No, thanks.

    Why waste a high pick on a QB that might not pan out when RW is only in his 7th year.
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  • Mizak wrote:They should start looking for the next Wentz, Goff, Watson, or Mahomes. Let Wilson teach the future Seahawks QB.


    Maybe ........ in about 2028.
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  • Jerhawk wrote:We already have Mr. Mcgough. He's the future

    I like McGough also. To me he's like a more athletic version of Kirk Cousins or Dave Krieg.
    The Hawks seem to like him also, enough to guarantee his whole year's salary as a Practice Squad player.

    With Hundley being in the final year of his contract, McGough looks like a good developmental backup QB. Hundley as our emergency QB for this season, then rental over. Thanks to Rat and Sgt. Largent for pointing out Hundley's final year situation. Some other team pays Hundley, and then McGough slides into the QB2 role with a year of seasoning, and at least 3 more years of team control. Seems like a good plan if McGough keeps developing.
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  • The team should have drafted another QB in mid low rounds years ago. As backup and as trade bids like NE.


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  • Sgt. Largent wrote:Look at all the picks the Patriots have got for trading their backups.

    - Cassell 2nd round pick (Cost: 7th round) - Win
    - Mallet 7th round pick (Cost: 3rd round) - Loss
    - Brissett traded for a starting WR (Cost: 3rd round) - Push
    - Garoppolo 2nd round pick (Cost: 2nd round) - Loss

    Keeping in mind a draft pick in the following year is worth a round lower in the current year, the Patriots have 2 losses, 1 push, and 1 win on those QBs.

    Seems like a lot of juggling picks for no real gain or even a net loss.
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  • HawkerD wrote:
    Sgt. Largent wrote:You should ALWAYS be drafting and developing QB's, if not to replace your current starter but to trade for valuable picks....Our FO has HORRIBLY failed at drafting and developing backups, which IMO is the biggest reason we traded for Hunley, he's the type of QB that you can hopefully develop not only into a competent backup, but for trade value down the road.


    I would say our FO has failed HORRIBLY at drafting.......period.


    Then you don't understand the crapshoot that is drafting. There are several advanced stats out there showing that the Seahawks have gotten more draft value out of their picks than any other team in the Schneider era.

    But live in your insular world that ignores the fates of 31 other FO's.

    I'd say we are one of the best drafting teams out there. You only have to look at the Browns and all the great draft capital they've spent finishing last every year to realize what Horrible Drafting (tm) looks like.
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  • Seahawkwalt1967 wrote:Yes absolutely should ...trade Russ for all you can get. Don’t think it will happen as long as Pete is coach


    Long time ago, like after using him to win 2 Super Bowls, which they would have done if they used the money wasted on him to build the team around him. They could have had multiple high draft picks from Cleveland or Buffalo for Wilson, and the entire team would have changed. If they kept the D as good or better and plugged in any competent QB with a great O line and RB, they would be better over the last few years, and now.
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  • jeremiah wrote:
    Seahawkwalt1967 wrote:Yes absolutely should ...trade Russ for all you can get. Don’t think it will happen as long as Pete is coach


    Long time ago, like after using him to win 2 Super Bowls, which they would have done if they used the money wasted on him to build the team around him. They could have had multiple high draft picks from Cleveland or Buffalo for Wilson, and the entire team would have changed. If they kept the D as good or better and plugged in any competent QB with a great O line and RB, they would be better over the last few years, and now.


    Having a great OL, RB, and Defense is probably even more expensive than paying a good QB.

    We didn't decline because we paid Russ. We declined because we paid Earl, Sherm, Kam, Bobby, Bennett, Avril and KJ. That led to less money for offense so guys like Okung, Carpenter, Tate, Richardson, Sweezy all left. And we lost our depth on defense.

    Its hard to keep great teams together because of the salary cap. No one does it including the Patriots. The only key contributor that you can rely on keeping upright and healthy is the QB. So you pay them.

    In the Russell Wilson era, the Niners, Rams and Cards have started 22 QB's. Where are the Niners rings from keeping a great D, OL and RB and living with merely competent QB's? It all fell apart for them pretty darn quickly. Faster than it did for the Hawks.
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