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  • Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Not a big fan of this move.. unless it comes with Zeke and a 2nd rounder.

    Um, hell to the NO! Zeke might be playing in the Texas Penal league in less than 2 seasons at the rate he is going as he is dumber than a bag of hammers!

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  • Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?

    That and a third?????, I'd do this in a hummingbird's heartbeat........But this is a pipe dream that ain't gunna happen guys.
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    Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?

    That and a third?????, I'd do this in a hummingbird's heartbeat........But this is a pipe dream that ain't gunna happen guys.

    yep id bite at that too browns got their qb probably take barkley 1st .pipe dream but its the browns you never know
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  • scutterhawk wrote:
    Str8OuttaSkittles wrote:take the 4 from the browns and take derwin?

    That and a third?????, I'd do this in a hummingbird's heartbeat........But this is a pipe dream that ain't gunna happen guys.


    They will not trade the 4th overall pick for ET straight up, let alone a 3rd as well. We will have to throw in our first round pick too. However, getting the 4th overall pick would open up a lot of trade doors for us.
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  • Trading Earl is there best option when you take into account they are rebuilding and next year is a transition year. Does that mean they can't make some great moves in the draft and compete for the Division or a wild card this season hell no. Regardless it's likely Earl is traded and not resigned.
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  • I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.
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  • Crizilla wrote:I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.


    They may keep him for his last year but an extension is unlikely he wants to much money .
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  • Crizilla wrote:I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.

    Which means he's got about two more good seasons left in him and with all the holes on the roster atm, doesn't seem they'll be legit SB contenders again till at least 2019 or 2020.

    Trade that man ASAP.
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  • massari wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.

    Which means he's got about two more good seasons left in him and with all the holes on the roster atm, doesn't seem they'll be legit SB contenders again till at least 2019 or 2020.

    Trade that man ASAP.

    I agree...Unload before his value drops
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    Sox-n-Hawks wrote:Not a big fan of this move.. unless it comes with Zeke and a 2nd rounder.

    Um, hell to the NO! Zeke might be playing in the Texas Penal league in less than 2 seasons at the rate he is going as he is dumber than a bag of hammers!

    Zach Martin and a second.


    Maybe we need a RB with a chip on their shoulder. Who knows... he could be the next OJ.
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  • I’d even consider Buffalo’s two 2nd rounders and their late 3rd. I think he’d fit well in that secondary with Micah Hyde.
    Though I guess he’d “fit well” virtually anywhere, wouldn’t he?
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  • I'm really torn. On one hand he isn't going to just fall off in the next year or two, Earl will be in the top 5 FS's for the foreseeable future and has been the key piece for defensive dominance. He also gives 110% every single snap, might be the fastest sideline to sideline defender in the NFL, and his football knowledge is amazing. Whatever team he plays for will likely be in the top half of the league defensively regardless of supporting cast.

    On the other hand, I'm wondering how much he agrees with Sherman on Pete's style not reaching the veterans anymore as well as being fed up with carrying the offense. He's made comments about how they always have had to bail them, nothing new, etc. If he isn't fully in behind the scenes regardless of how well he plays on the field, that may add to the rifts in the locker room environment. Guys like Russ, Kam, Bobby all buy into Pete's approach and preach it, if Earl doesn't I wonder if getting most value for him makes most sense.

    I think a first and a third would be appropriate for a guy of his quality. Ultimately it's up to Pete/JS if he's a part of their core future.
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  • Crizilla wrote:I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.


    Polamalu didn't go to another teams coach and say come and get me on live tv....and he was playing with a high risk sex offender at that time.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:
    Crizilla wrote:I want them to keep Earl because his instincts are incredibly rare. We saw how the team played 2 seasons ago with him out. I would want something more than just a first round pick from Dallas for him. But screw all of that, keep him and have him retire as a hawk. He's Polamalu level.


    Polamalu didn't go to another teams coach and say come and get me on live tv....


    Oh, get over it already. Honestly.
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  • Cyrus12 wrote:and he was playing with a high risk sex offender at that time.


    What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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  • Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .
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  • Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I read that he was actually not bad it’s just that Budda baker played great and made him redundant and they saved money by cutting him and also spent 20 mill on Bradford so I dunno how much cap space they have but he wasn’t a necessity there it sounds like.
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  • Kinger95 wrote:
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    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I read that he was actually not bad it’s just that Budda baker played great and made him redundant and they saved money by cutting him and also spent 20 mill on Bradford so I dunno how much cap space they have but he wasn’t a necessity there it sounds like.


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    Baker was younger cheaper and as talented. It made no sense to keep him. He still can be very good for some other team and could be had for a more reasonable price potentially.
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  • flmmkrz wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I read that he was actually not bad it’s just that Budda baker played great and made him redundant and they saved money by cutting him and also spent 20 mill on Bradford so I dunno how much cap space they have but he wasn’t a necessity there it sounds like.


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    Baker was younger cheaper and as talented. It made no sense to keep him. He still can be very good for some other team and could be had for a more reasonable price potentially.


    He is more concerned about going to a contender than the contract. We aren't a contender any more.
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  • Seymour wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I really, really hope hiney badger sticks around here!
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  • original poster wrote:
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    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I really, really hope hiney badger sticks around here!


    I hope they keep him behind bars!

    Little did you know that typo would stick like stink on Hiney's tongue. :D
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  • vonstout wrote:
    flmmkrz wrote:
    Kinger95 wrote:
    Seymour wrote:
    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I read that he was actually not bad it’s just that Budda baker played great and made him redundant and they saved money by cutting him and also spent 20 mill on Bradford so I dunno how much cap space they have but he wasn’t a necessity there it sounds like.


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    Baker was younger cheaper and as talented. It made no sense to keep him. He still can be very good for some other team and could be had for a more reasonable price potentially.


    He is more concerned about going to a contender than the contract. We aren't a contender any more.


    Doesn't every player say they're looking to play for a contender, right up until they get a good offer. Its a good talking point but hes not in the twilight of his career, hes still looking to get paid.... and we're not elite but we're a bubble playoff team, and maybe with the right pick ups we're in the thick of things again. Im sure if he had an offer here he'd consider it. Assuming the team has any interest.
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  • vonstout wrote:I read that they are asking for a first and a third rounder and several teams are interested and we may get more than that.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/cowboys-eyeing ... 29345.html


    I think you have to pull the trigger if you get a package like that. We've already jettisoned Sherman and Bennett and Kam/Avril are likely done, so may as well go all the way and start over. Only thing that makes me hesitant is with how poorly we draft those picks may lead to nothing.
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  • Seymour wrote:
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    Kinger95 wrote:Asset wise wouldnt it make sense to trade Earl for the best possible offer. Then use the money you save on his deal to sign mathieu .


    Hiney Badger was asked to take a pay cut from his $10M salary and he choose to walk. Very good player, but on this team I don't see value in that personally.


    I really, really hope hiney badger sticks around here!


    I hope they keep him behind bars!

    Little did you know that typo would stick like stink on Hiney's tongue. :D


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  • Wow, that doesn't seem like much for such a good player.

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  • Have to trade him for the reload / rebuild. Not enough quality draft picks to address all the holes in this roster.
    Just send him to the AFC please...
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  • ducks41468 wrote:
    vonstout wrote:I read that they are asking for a first and a third rounder and several teams are interested and we may get more than that.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/cowboys-eyeing ... 29345.html


    I think you have to pull the trigger if you get a package like that. We've already jettisoned Sherman and Bennett and Kam/Avril are likely done, so may as well go all the way and start over. Only thing that makes me hesitant is with how poorly we draft those picks may lead to nothing.


    And there lies the $177M question.
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  • Have to imagine that the bills would give anything to get the browns pick at 4 to leapfrog the broncos at 5 and potentially the dolphins at 11. The browns could get 12, 22 and probably a 2019 2nd from the bills. If you could get 4 from the browns for Earl that could all be OURS!!!
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  • Kinger95 wrote:Have to imagine that the bills would give anything to get the browns pick at 4 to leapfrog the broncos at 5 and potentially the dolphins at 11. The browns could get 12, 22 and probably a 2019 2nd from the bills. If you could get 4 from the browns for Earl that could all be OURS!!!


    Earl and Cleveland are meant for each other, Cleveland is Earl's destiny.
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  • hawknation2018 wrote:Wow, that doesn't seem like much for such a good player.



    He said he wanted to go to the best fit and not chase the money.

    Seems to be the first person in NFL history to say that and actually follow it through, hats off to him.

    That deal is less than Arizona offered him when they were trying to bring down his cap hit.
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  • Seahawks vs Redskins on nfl tv right now. Earl missed this game but still we should’ve won. Kam dropped an interception first drive of the game
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  • This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.

    I’d rather they just extend him.
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    vin.couve12 wrote:This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.

    I’d rather they just extend him.


    Same.

    John is either screwing this up, or he's got enough balls to call Earl on his holdout threat. If McDougald is as good as vin.couve12 insists, there's little to worry about.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.


    Not just this, but the $7M they have tied up in Avril should get decided like real soon also. WTF is the holdup with releasing Cliff I wonder?
    Those 2 alone would buy Suh for $15M.
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  • I believe the Browns hold picks 2 : 1 & 2 : 3 also. I would be good with that for ET.
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  • Before the FA season started the rumors around Earl and Bennett trades were not that surprising. I would have been happy getting a 2nd and a 3rd from both. We didn't get much from Bennett so I think we need to get somthing decent for Earl.

    I would be happy with a 1st but his potential contract lead me to think we don't have as much leverage and we think we do.

    I think a 2nd and 4th or a 2nd and 3rd next year would be fair for everyone. Is the failure of the Harvin, Graham, Richardson, Brown trades where we paid to much causing unrealistic expectations for our management?
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  • Apparently he’s asking for 5 years $55M, lower APY than I thought.
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  • Should have traded Earl last off season, we probably could have gotten more?
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  • original poster wrote:Apparently he’s asking for 5 years $55M, lower APY than I thought.

    Do it! Much lower than the 15 million per some were throwing around.
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  • toffee wrote:Should have traded Earl last off season, we probably could have gotten more?


    Disagree. He was coming off a broken leg.
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  • He's got 1-2 great season left, 1-2 good seasons left after that.. minimum 2 maximum 4 and at an expensive price.

    If you can possibly get what the reports are saying you take it and run with it. 1st and 3rd?! That's one top end starter and another likely starter for minimum 5 years..

    Pete's thing is his secondary... Do you think it's just a coincidence that mostly everyone who comes in to play in the secondary plays well? Earl is the exception to this with great instincts and passion, but he's one more injury away from being worthless, and as you know this risk increases with age.

    Hawks could have gotten a 1st or 2nd for Sherm last year, and decided to hang on. I don't think they'll make the same decision.
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  • vin.couve12 wrote:This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.


    Should have got it done before the market realized Seattle was going to dump most of the roster. Now, everyone knows there is no reason for Seattle to keep ET. Just wait it out and the Seahawks will take less and less, as every day goes by. Kind of a horse race between fear and greed for teams who are interested, as well as for Seattle.
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  • Silver Hawk wrote:
    vin.couve12 wrote:This needs to hurry up and get done now. The longer they wait, the more teams are going to fill and feel better about positions and their defenses overall, driving the price down.

    JS really is screwing this one up right now. Get it done already. You can't wait until training camp when he's holding out and teams are already holding competition. If he's banking on injury then he's an idiot. If he's trying to get Earl 13M or more then he's an idiot too. Stop crying and cut it out. Get some whiskey and a stick to bite on or whatever, just get it done.

    Edit: No sane GM gives up a 1st and 3rd for Thomas. A 1st should get it done. A 1st and a player is a great deal for the Hawks.


    Should have got it done before the market realized Seattle was going to dump most of the roster. Now, everyone knows there is no reason for Seattle to keep ET. Just wait it out and the Seahawks will take less and less, as every day goes by. Kind of a horse race between fear and greed for teams who are interested, as well as for Seattle.


    There are still several weeks left to get a good deal done. Teams are now looking at either a trade or taking a shot in the draft. There are no Sure Things in the draft. Remember Curry?

    ET is a sure thing. Unless of course you're right and we wait too long, but for me that is by the end of the draft. Then he waited too long.
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