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  • Best guesses, dicussion?

    Kam Chancellor - retires due to neck injury
    Blair Walsh - obvious reasons
    Jeremy Lane - wants out
    Eddie Lacy - didn't work out
    Byron Maxwell - will pick up his replacement in the draft
    Thomas Rawls - Injury prone
    Sheldon Richardson - too much $$ for production levels
    CJ Prosise - can't stay healthy
    Malik McDowell (would have started) - Do we get a high compensatory pick if we cut him?
    Germain Ifedi - penalties, production, temper
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  • Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving
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  • original poster wrote:Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving


    I don’t see how cutting Fant, Vannnett, or Roos makes any sense.
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  • CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving


    I don’t see how cutting Fant, Vannnett, or Roos makes any sense.


    Not saying it does at all, just listing the players that have more of a cap saving than a cap hit.
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  • Blair Walsh
    Cliff Avril retires
    Byron Maxwell
    Jeremy Lane
    Michael Wilhoite
    Thomas Rawls/Eddie Lacy
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  • original poster wrote:
    CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving


    I don’t see how cutting Fant, Vannnett, or Roos makes any sense.


    Not saying it does at all, just listing the players that have more of a cap saving than a cap hit.


    Ah, gotcha.

    Also, I highly doubt Kam retires. Guy just got an extension he was fighting for. No way he just leaves that money on the table. He’ll find a way to linger if he can’t contribute.
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  • Lacy
    Rawls
    Sherman
    Lane
    Ifedi
    Graham
    Walsh
    Avril
    Maxwell
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  • MO Hawk wrote:Best guesses, dicussion?

    Kam Chancellor - retires due to neck injury
    Blair Walsh - obvious reasons
    Jeremy Lane - wants out
    Eddie Lacy - didn't work out
    Byron Maxwell - will pick up his replacement in the draft
    Thomas Rawls - Injury prone
    Sheldon Richardson - too much $$ for production levels
    CJ Prosise - can't stay healthy
    Malik McDowell (would have started) - Do we get a high compensatory pick if we cut him?
    Germain Ifedi - penalties, production, temper


    Sheldon has been clogging up the middle and has helped lighten the load for Bobby and the LB's

    Lane is under contract, so him wanting out is moot.
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  • CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving


    I don’t see how cutting Fant, Vannnett, or Roos makes any sense.


    Not saying it does at all, just listing the players that have more of a cap saving than a cap hit.


    Ah, gotcha.

    Also, I highly doubt Kam retires. Guy just got an extension he was fighting for. No way he just leaves that money on the table. He’ll find a way to linger if he can’t contribute.


    Yeah absolutely. I'd be keen to know where the league stands on Kam's injury without derailing the thread. Can he just stay on IR?
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  • Lacy
    Maxwell
    Lane
    Avril (retire)
    Rawls
    Kam (retire)
    Bennett (Cut or Traded)
    Richardson
    Graham
    Sherman (cut)
    Carrol (retire)
    Bevell (Set adrift on a barge)
    Walsh
    Cable

    Resign Joeckel, Paul Richardson, and Willson. Partial rebuild with new coaching staff (for the most part, keeping Richard). Not sure Bennett has much trade value, despite his level of talent, other teams might not be willing to take on his baggage. Go after a free agent like Trumaine Johnson, Vontae Davis or Malcolm Butle to replace Sherman. If Ezekiel Ansah is available, try to get him. The price on Tyler Eifert might be kind of low, due to his injury history.

    This team need to hit the reset switch but having Wilson at QB, we don't need a total rebuild and hopefully we'll be back in the playoffs in 2 years.
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  • I see absolutely no reason that they can't be right back in the playoffs next year. Don't think that's homerism in the slightest, either.
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  • Time to get young and cheap again.

    -Defense-
    Bennett
    Avril
    Sheldon Richardson (the dudes gonna want a huge contract that hes just not worth, terrible value)
    Kam (only if he retires due to injury)
    Lane
    Maxwell

    I think we keep Sherman as long as he heals properly from his injury. Hes never been a guy that relies on his athleticism because hes not very athletic. This means his play wont be falling off as he gets older.

    -Offense-
    Lacy
    Luke Joeckel
    Oday Aboushi
    CJ procise
    Rawls
    Paul Richardson
    Graham
    Luke Willson (if he wants to sign for cheap again I take him)

    -Special teams-
    Walsh
    Ryan
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Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:04 pm
  • Eddie Lacey
    Richard Sherman
    Michael Bennett
    Jimmy Graham
    Paul Richardson
    Thomas Rawls
    Jeremy Lane
    CJ Procise
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:07 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Eddie Lacey
    Richard Sherman
    Michael Bennett
    Jimmy Graham
    Paul Richardson
    Thomas Rawls
    Jeremy Lane
    CJ Procise



    Ill add
    Aboushi (sp?)
    Kam
    Avril
    Wilhouite
    Joeckel
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:10 pm
  • I expect them to go through a reshuffle like they did when they first got here
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:11 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:Eddie Lacey
    Richard Sherman
    Michael Bennett
    Jimmy Graham
    Paul Richardson
    Thomas Rawls
    Jeremy Lane
    CJ Procise


    Lacy
    Walsh
    Bennett
    Graham
    Lane
    Joeckel
    Rawls

    Kam signing was awful, and I think Sherman may be gone because of it.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:13 pm
  • Hawk_Nation wrote:
    Wenhawk wrote:Eddie Lacey
    Richard Sherman
    Michael Bennett
    Jimmy Graham
    Paul Richardson
    Thomas Rawls
    Jeremy Lane
    CJ Procise



    Ill add
    Aboushi (sp?)
    Kam
    Avril
    Wilhouite
    Joeckel

    I could see them keeping Sherman. Isn't his contract up at the end of next season? And maybe Prosise too. Not that I want him here, I don't. But I can see him getting one more chance to prove himself.

    Are you adding Kam and Cliff as release candidates or retire candidates?
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:15 pm
  • Prosise probably gets one more year.... his cap savings vs. his cost isn't great........


    An interesting guy to look at when just looking at dollars is KJ Wright, probably will get an extension of some kind, but he has 2018 remaining with a cap savings of like 7 mil with 1/2 mil in dead money.... Almost the same as Avril's

    Kam has the team by the balls........ it makes no sense money wise for Kam to retire. Team will have to cut him and eat a bunch of $$$$$

    The one guy I see them eating salary on is Bennett. Production does not equal the cancer he is....
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:19 pm
  • Thepeelsessions wrote:
    Hawk_Nation wrote:
    Wenhawk wrote:Eddie Lacey
    Richard Sherman
    Michael Bennett
    Jimmy Graham
    Paul Richardson
    Thomas Rawls
    Jeremy Lane
    CJ Procise



    Ill add
    Aboushi (sp?)
    Kam
    Avril
    Wilhouite
    Joeckel

    I could see them keeping Sherman. Isn't his contract up at the end of next season? And maybe Prosise too. Not that I want him here, I don't. But I can see him getting one more chance to prove himself.

    Are you adding Kam and Cliff as release candidates or retire candidates?



    I think we are over a barrel any way you look at it with Kam due to his injury clause. As for Avril, I bet he just retires.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:58 pm
  • For sure gone:
    Lacy
    Lane
    Rawls
    Wilhouite
    Aboushi
    Walsh

    Likely gone:
    Kam
    Avril
    Richardson (Sheldon and Paul)
    Prosise
    Joeckel

    Toss-up:
    Bennett
    Graham
    Sherman
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:00 pm
  • I also question cutting Prosise. The guy isn't earning much so we might as well give him another shot. Remember Paul Richardson was very much unavailable for a couple years and has been really good for us this year.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:49 pm
  • Most of these names won’t happen

    I would be more likely to say coaching staffs might be gone. But Kam or Sherman will be back. These are Charles Woodson, Ray Lewis type talents. They’ll be kept around, Kam especially given his cap hit. NFL drafts are a crapshoot and replacing those players is more easily said than done

    Despite all the rants and the wishing, the Seahawks will keep many of their veterans and try to dig more through the draft. Mainly to get top talents like another Shaq Griffin. We’ll try to renegotiate some contracts. I can at most see us trading away one or two members of the LOB. But they won’t all be gone
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:26 am
  • Sherman?

    WHY in the hell would you let Sherman go?

    Ever since he's been gone we're like 2-4 and the defense is giving up 30 a game.

    Everyone has been having this argument for years -- It's Kam that's most important, It's Earl that's most important and Sherman is only good because of them.

    Well, now we know.

    The defense struggled last year without Earl, and it struggled without Kam, but without Sherman it has COMPLETELY SUCKED.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:36 am
  • Rawls and Prosise both come to camp.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:41 am
  • Kam comes back unless he decides to leave on his own accord and retire. I'll say that Bennett's return is dependent on whether or not Avril comes back. If Avril returns, so will he. Sherm isn't going anywhere. Neither is Graham.

    I think they part ways with

    Joeckel
    Aboushi
    Lacy
    Rawls
    Richardson (Sheldon)
    Coleman
    Lane

    I hope I'm wrong about Sheldon
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  • I feel like Kam and Avril will both retire unfortunately. But you can't really blame them, they have rings, have made a lot of $, and you don't wanna' mess with neck injuries.
    Can't afford Sheldon Richardson, so they lose him, but get a 3rd back later on as a comp, so that's solid.
    I think they sign P Rich to an extension sometime during the 2018 season.
    And, it might be a little bold, but it feels like they are going to part ways with Bennett. And they have a big decision on Earl, predicting they let the season play out in 2018 before deciding what to do, see if he can get healthy, wants to keep playing w/out the LOB etc.
    Joekel, Lacy and Lane will be gone, hopefully. And they are clearly done w/Rawls. One more year of Sherm and Penalty Ifedi (puke) then they move on from them in 2019. They probably will give Shead next year to show what he can do.
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  • As long as Ifedi is gone, the rest is irrelevant. I bet that guy has more penalty yards than any RB has rushing yds.
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  • What a horrific draft pick that turned out to be.
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  • Bennett - only if they can get a 2nd or early 3rd round pick for him
    Graham - If he asks for more than $6M per
    P Rich - If he asks for more than $6M per
    Joeckel - If he asks for anything more than $2M per
    Lane
    Lacy
    Aboushi
    Walsh

    If Kam, Avril and Sherman come back and are a shell of themselves, then they should be cut. They obviously have no trade value.
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  • I think it would be crazy to let Sheldon go. The dude is a beast and his impact is highly undervalued.
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  • Well, he'll likely going to ask for 15 mil a year, at least. Just don't have the cap for that.
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Re: Players I expect gone next season
Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:16 am
  • The_Z_Man wrote:Sherman?

    WHY in the hell would you let Sherman go?

    Ever since he's been gone we're like 2-4 and the defense is giving up 30 a game.

    Everyone has been having this argument for years -- It's Kam that's most important, It's Earl that's most important and Sherman is only good because of them.

    Well, now we know.

    The defense struggled last year without Earl, and it struggled without Kam, but without Sherman it has COMPLETELY SUCKED.


    Defense was pretty bad in 2014 when Wagner missed time as well
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  • What on earth makes anyone think they will cut Sherman in the offseason is beyond me. SIlly talk.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Well, he'll likely going to ask for 15 mil a year, at least. Just don't have the cap for that.


    They absolutely do. If they want to resign him, they will.
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  • Who thinks they will cut Sherm? Can't see that happening. I can see him playing one more season here and then the team parting ways with him though.
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  • original poster wrote:I see absolutely no reason that they can't be right back in the playoffs next year. Don't think that's homerism in the slightest, either.


    I'm right here as well, if...

    They get rid of cable and bevell.
    Richard isn't great but is probably serviceable as Pete is the defensive mind. Still need to also cut/release/trade:
    Rawls
    Lacy
    Graham
    Ifedi
    Lane
    Prosise
    Avril
    Maxwell
    Walsh

    There are other cuts, but the above are in my mind the "for sures"

    I think a competent line coach/running back coach and a smart creative young OC could make the biggest difference. Our scheme and strategy is atrocious. Just watch the plays called by any of the other top ten teams and you will see how horribly simple and completely lacking in misdirection our plays are.

    If we bite the bullet, we could return to the playoffs next year.

    Our biggest hurdle now is the Rams, who have done the above. A young creative and intelligent coach good at identifying weaknesses and focusing on strengths.

    Before Sioux answers with one of his patented mind numbingly ignorant retorts, I want to remind everyone he is consistently wrong in his predictions and observations, so just ignore him.

    We now are 2nd in line because we didn't have the cahones to do what was needed after the Superbowl loss, and have been slowly regressing untill now. If these coaching changes aren't made, we will continue our slow roll to the bottom.
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  • It's amazing that people have all the sudden crowned the Rams the next New England after ONE good season.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:It's amazing that people have all the sudden crowned the Rams the next New England after ONE good season.


    I have not crowned anyone, but looking at the specifics of their coaching scheme, strategy and implementation, looking at the talent on the roster, and our resistance to change what we are doing poorly, it's definitely not a stretch to say we have an uphill climb.

    I'm not saying they are Lombardi front runner, but we are a hot mess and have been on a downward trajectory.

    The Rams are on an upward trajectory. Pete just talked yesterday about accountability, but we have seen for several seasons now that a zone blocking scheme and the coaching and development of our offensive line has been abysmal. We have now thrown quite a bit of money and draft picks at the problem and really have only made minor progress.

    Is the "accountability" speech just lip service or is it an actual wake up call?

    Yet to be determined
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  • Yet to be determined, just like if the Rams are going to be great for years.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:It's amazing that people have all the sudden crowned the Rams the next New England after ONE good season.


    No one is crowning them as such, but you're naive if you think they haven't caught up to us in talent and have arguably surpassed us in coaching.

    San Francisco is coming too. They have a QB now and a mountain of cap room.

    If we sit by idly and continue the same ol' song, we're going to get lapped by the division before you know it.
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  • Y'all know you need to have 53 or so players on the roster?? Getting rid of guys on their rookie deals who can contribute is no that great of an idea.
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  • Rams are real good, and have a good record with a cake schedule. I'll be more impressed after I see how they do in the playoffs. Clearly they are gonna' be our main competition. WAY too early to assume the Niners are on the brink, probably 2 or 3 years away. But the division is gonna' be a 3 team race in a couple years for sure. 2019, I can see the Niners being a factor, especially w/a good QB and a ridiculous amount of cap space.
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  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    SoulfishHawk wrote:It's amazing that people have all the sudden crowned the Rams the next New England after ONE good season.


    No one is crowning them as such, but you're naive if you think they haven't caught up to us in talent and have arguably surpassed us in coaching.

    San Francisco is coming too. They have a QB now and a mountain of cap room.

    If we sit by idly and continue the same ol' song, we're going to get lapped by the division before you know it.


    SoulFish: Why not crown them? Maybe not the next NE (There will never be another NE) but certainly the cream of the NFC west. They are stacked everywhere and have a ton of Cap room. You probably wanted to crown the Hawks after Russ's rookie year! The future is bright for the Rams

    SF is charging hard. Good Coaching - Check, Good GM - check. Youth - Check. Good draft position - check. Bright Future - check.
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  • CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:
    CodeWarrior wrote:
    original poster wrote:Purely from a cap perspective and not who I necessarily want to be cut, these guys make sense -

    Richard Sherman - $11M cap saving
    K.J Wright - $7.2M cap saving
    Cliff Avril - $7.5M cap saving
    Jeremy Lane - $4.75M cap saving
    Jon Ryan - $2M cap saving
    Neiko Thorpe - $1.85M cap saving
    C.J Prosise - just under $0.5M cap saving
    Nick Vannett - just under $0.5M cap saving
    George Fant - $0.63M cap saving
    DeAndre Elliott - $0.63M cap saving
    Tre Madden - $0.63M cap saving
    Tanner McEvoy - $0.63M cap saving
    Jordan Roos - Just over $0.5M cap saving
    David Moore - Just over $0.5M cap saving


    I don’t see how cutting Fant, Vannnett, or Roos makes any sense.


    Not saying it does at all, just listing the players that have more of a cap saving than a cap hit.


    Ah, gotcha.

    Also, I highly doubt Kam retires. Guy just got an extension he was fighting for. No way he just leaves that money on the table. He’ll find a way to linger if he can’t contribute.


    There is a very good chance Kam will have little choice. Kam and his wife were seen going to a meeting at the VMAC about a month ago to have a meeting with Pete and Jon. That is NOT SOP and may well be telling about the extent of his injury.
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  • Crowning them after one good season? Nah. Takes a lot more than one good season to all the sudden get crowned. Just my own opinion, and yes I can't stand the Rams. So there is that. When I see the consistency over a few seasons, I'll be convinced.
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  • Bennett
    Cliff
    Kam
    Wright

    I think those guys have a high chance of being gone. ET3 and sherman and wagner will probably be the only guys left and sherman might get delt too.
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  • What pisses me off most is all of the players listed on this thread we could have gotten high picks for if we traded them in the off season, or even last year while they were still healthy with multiple years under contract.

    Now they're injured and old, and have ZERO trade value.

    So other than just cutting them and getting cap relief, there's no upside. It's EXACTLY why Belichick and the Patriot's trade their defensive stars IN their prime, and not wait until it's too late.
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  • SoulfishHawk wrote:Crowning them after one good season? Nah. Takes a lot more than one good season to all the sudden get crowned. Just my own opinion, and yes I can't stand the Rams. So there is that. When I see the consistency over a few seasons, I'll be convinced.


    The Fisher Rams are gone. This is a new team. What I find ironic is the fact that they have now built exactly what Pete desires with the exception of the strong secondary, but they also have a good oline. And they don't need that strong secondary with that Dline. Pete could save a bunch of $$ on the back end adjusting his build to that model. Of course they would need to find another Donald out there or something close, Richardson is not it though.
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  • Easier said than done. We have no idea what other teams were offering, or if they were offering anything at all. And knowing when it's time to let a guy go is no exact science. Looking at it now, obviously it would have been better to trade some of the guys, but the team had no way of knowing that Avril, Kam and Sherm would all go down. And the chemistry in the locker room (not that it has been great overall) goes way down if they had started trading the core defensive guys.
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