Which WRs Do We Keep?

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Which WRs Do We Keep?
Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:28 pm
  • Looking @ the roster, I think we'll keep 6 going into the regular season.

    1) Percy Harvin
    2) Doug Baldwin
    3) Paul Richardson
    4) Jermaine Kearse
    5) Kevin Norwood
    6) Sidney Rice

    Everyone is high on Lockette and his special teams abilities. While that's true, I think it's more important that we keep the 6 best receivers, regardless of special teams abilities.

    The only other possibility, I think, is if Sidney never gets healthy enough and we have to cut him. I hope it doesn't come to that though.

    I really like that list of receivers though, I think that's pretty dang legit- and like many have said, I think both Paul Richardson and Kevin Norwood are going to show some serious talents in their rookie years.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:52 pm
  • Seahawks will do everything they can to keep Lockette on the active roster. His athleticism and versatility makes him valuable. He had a strong start to OTAs. He's a natural flanker and is probably one of the fastest players on the team. But he also has length to play at split end. And of course, his reputation is one of a much ballyhooed special teams tackler.

    There are plenty of ways to go about this. My guess is they will keep Sidney Rice on the PUP list while he continues his rehab on his knee, and then if another receiver gets injured, they can activate Rice while keeping Lockette. If the Seahawks do keep Lockette, they will have exclusive rights to him in 2015.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:05 am
  • how about we free up a spot for the special teams rocket by jettisoning a qb that will never suit up for us and we are only making better for another team?
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:28 am
  • I'm having a hard time not seeing Rice as the odd man out... unless all of his knee issues are in the past and he's 100% healthy.

    What ever happened to his knee issue that he attempted to get taken care of before the start of last season?... the one where he went to Europe to get some form of injection not available here in the states.

    Anybody know any details of that?

    Like, was it in both knees that he got the injection(s)?
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:07 am
  • Frankly I don't want Rice to make the team. You have to factor in more than current skill /ability in the equation. Team control has to factor into this. Rice is signed this year. Norwood on the other hand is on a cheap rookie deal, I really hope he makes it. Frankly I think they only keep 5 wrs.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:28 am
  • I don't know about Rice's treatment in Europe but I hope it helps.

    As I recall he got hurt when someone landed on his knees during a play. Not sure who landed on him, ours or theirs. I would like to keep him if he's healthy because he has that big play ability I haven't seen in many of our receivers.

    I'll always remember a couple of years ago when most any time we needed a big play to save a drive he was the guy that made it happen. I'd like to see that guy again.

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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:36 am
  • [quote="nategreat"]Looking @ the roster, I think we'll keep 6 going into the regular season.

    1) Percy Harvin
    2) Doug Baldwin
    3) Paul Richardson
    4) Jermaine Kearse
    5) Kevin Norwood
    6) Sidney Rice

    Everyone is high on Lockette and his special teams abilities. While that's true, I think it's more important that we keep the 6 best receivers, regardless of special teams abilities.

    The only other possibility, I think, is if Sidney never gets healthy enough and we have to cut him. I hope it doesn't come to that though.

    I really like that list of receivers though, I think that's pretty dang legit- and like many have said, I think both Paul Richardson and Kevin Norwood are going to show some serious talents in their rookie years.[/quote

    I know who else is high on Lockette - the coaching staff. I heard Kippy Brown interviewed last year and he raved about RL's ability and "willingness" to lay crushing blocks downfield in the running game. Hearing Pete in the Town Meeting contniue to preach about "being who we are" and that they want to "run it down their frickin throats," as well as his gleeful rooting of Lockette in the Super Bowl when he swallowed up Holiday on that punt return says to me that they LOVE his uniqueness. He, along with Lane, give them TWO potential Pro Bowl quality gunners on punt returns when most teams have one. I think we all know what an emphasis Pete puts on special teams.

    The challenge to Lockette is to continue progressing as a viable WR option which allows them to use him more on offense. His SB catch seemed to be a good indicator of that. Its gonna be hard to imagine them not keeping Lockette.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:44 am
  • Keep Rice and Lockette and cut a QB that won't play this season, won't be here next season, that we are only preparing to play against us in the future.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:46 am
  • brimsalabim wrote:Keep Rice and Lockette and cut a QB that won't play this season, won't be here next season, that we are only preparing to play against us in the future.


    You already said that. :mrgreen:
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:56 am
  • nategreat wrote: While that's true, I think it's more important that we keep the 6 best receivers, regardless of special teams abilities.

    Disagree.

    In fact I'd be shocked if Rice made the team as the 6th best WR. He needs to beat out Kears, imo, if wants to make the team.

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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:01 am
  • Nobody here knows Rices' condition
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:21 am
  • Don't pass lightly on this Mathews kid from the CFL. If he is back from his injury he will be the dark horse to make the team, big, fast all the tools.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:04 am
  • I think people are underestimating Rice's likelihood of making the team. I believe the team still views him highly. Paul Richardson said Rice was the "top dog" in the wide receiver group. Rice is also playing Z receiver.

    Baldwin is moving to X this season. Per Bevell, Richardson and Kearse are also slotted for X. Not sure about Lockette and Norwood, but I think Harvin and Rice are the only confirmed Zs at this point and Harvin's likely to see a ton of snaps from the slot. That means Z should be pretty wide open.

    It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. I could see the Rice on PUP scenario happening.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:15 am
  • rainger wrote:Don't pass lightly on this Mathews kid from the CFL. If he is back from his injury he will be the dark horse to make the team, big, fast all the tools.


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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:37 am
  • I don't think you would keep Rice as a 5th or 6th WR because he has no special teams value. He needs to show he is one of the best 2 or 3 WRs on this team in my opinion, because the last couple of WRs on the roster need to play special teams. I'm guessing Rice starts on the PUP list which will buy the team some time to make that call.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:42 am
  • I like Matthews as well....he gives us one big wr with skills...and i have never been a fan of Lockette after i realized he spends a ton of time with kaep....how do we know he isn't, even by accident giving up play secrets to his best friend. Just don't like it. Off season he should be hanging with his team friends, not the enemy. Keep Matthews
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:33 am
  • xCalibur wrote:I like Matthews as well....he gives us one big wr with skills...and i have never been a fan of Lockette after i realized he spends a ton of time with kaep....how do we know he isn't, even by accident giving up play secrets to his best friend. Just don't like it. Off season he should be hanging with his team friends, not the enemy. Keep Matthews


    That's absurd. They became friends at the combine and were roommates when Lockette was a Niner. Do you really expect players not to associate with NFLers who are not current Seahawks? Did you know Lockette is also really good friends with Baldwin and stayed friends while he was a Niner? How do you know Baldwin wasn't tipping secrets to Lockette?
    Marshawn Lynch is good friends with DeSean Jackson. Richard Sherman is good friends with Larry Fitzgerald. Are they also spies?

    If you don't like Lockette's on-field performance i won't argue with you. But have a realistic view on off the field activities.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:43 am
  • Lockette puts the fear of god into returners, and while Rice has had some contributions in the past and some big catches, the man is too brittle and has no special teams abilities. I really like Matthews but, if for the sake of this exercise we're only keeping six, I'm keeping Lockette over Matthews again due to the special teams attributes. He's a BIG reason why we held opponents to such ridiculously small returns
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:44 am
  • GLOCKHAWK wrote:
    rainger wrote:Don't pass lightly on this Mathews kid from the CFL. If he is back from his injury he will be the dark horse to make the team, big, fast all the tools.


    Agree 100%


    except that's been dinged up for most of the OTA's. He might not get a chance to show his skill if keeps being sidelined with injuries.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:12 pm
  • ManBunts wrote:Lockette puts the fear of god into returners, and while Rice has had some contributions in the past and some big catches, the man is too brittle and has no special teams abilities. I really like Matthews but, if for the sake of this exercise we're only keeping six, I'm keeping Lockette over Matthews again due to the special teams attributes. He's a BIG reason why we held opponents to such ridiculously small returns


    Lockette is a lock in my opinion. Tough, super fast and improving. His speed will allow the Hawks to go full throttle every play with Richardson and Harvin on the field. If Lockette becomes a pro catching the ball, it isn't going to be fair for the rest of the NFL. I think Kearse is battling with Norwood and Rice with Mathews. It would really suck to see Kearse get cut but I think that is going to happen. I won't be fooled overlooking the value of Rice this year. It was painfully obvious how much we lost when he went down.

    One more thing, If McCoy keeps dropping passes they might make mathews a pass catching tight end hybrid.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:16 pm
  • ST value breaks ties; it doesn't get you on by itself at the receiver position. Lockette and Rice are not comparable in receiver skill. As purely a receiver, Lockette is a fringe NFL talent and ain't no offensive player making this team as a gunner specialist. In theory, Richardson, Norwood, even KPL or any number of rookies could fill out the gunner spot opposite Lane. Lockette still has a good a shot as most, but his two ST plays from last year aren't going to guarantee him anything. IMO, he's probably at around his ceiling as a receiver. The dude has been in the NFL for three seasons now.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:33 pm
  • nategreat wrote:Everyone is high on Lockette and his special teams abilities. While that's true, I think it's more important that we keep the 6 best receivers, regardless of special teams abilities.

    I don't think you understand the emphasis that Pete Carroll places on special teams.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:44 pm
  • seahawk12thman wrote:
    ManBunts wrote:Lockette puts the fear of god into returners, and while Rice has had some contributions in the past and some big catches, the man is too brittle and has no special teams abilities. I really like Matthews but, if for the sake of this exercise we're only keeping six, I'm keeping Lockette over Matthews again due to the special teams attributes. He's a BIG reason why we held opponents to such ridiculously small returns


    I think Kearse is battling with Norwood and Rice with Mathews. It would really suck to see Kearse get cut but I think that is going to happen. I won't be fooled overlooking the value of Rice this year. It was painfully obvious how much we lost when he went down.

    One more thing, If McCoy keeps dropping passes they might make mathews a pass catching tight end hybrid.


    I like your willingness to think outside the box, but I don't see us letting Kearse go this year. Not in order to retain Rice, Matthews or even the suddenly, wildly popular Ricardo Lockette. Kearse is too good, too cheap and knows the system.

    Harvin, Baldwin, Norwood, Richardson, Kearse (+1) gives us a group of receivers we've not known in recent past. Great hands, great speed and nobody in that group knows the meaning of fear (even though at least 2 of them should).

    Not to beat a dead horse, but when I look at that group and consider replacing Richardson for Lockette, considering size and health concerns, I don't see a huge drop off in the overall unit. Then I consider the (apparent) continued woes of McCoy and I still wish we would have drafted ASJ instead of Richardson (even in staying put to do so).

    Our pass catchers would then look like:

    Harvin
    Baldwin
    Norwood
    Kearse
    Lockette
    Rice?

    Miller
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    ASJ

    The latter just looks a bit more well rounded, if not more reliable and dangerous, to me. And yes, I am a homer.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:02 pm
  • We kept 5 at the start of last season if I recall correctly.

    Harvin
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    Richardson
    Kearse
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:20 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:We kept 5 at the start of last season if I recall correctly.

    Harvin
    Baldwin
    Richardson
    Kearse
    Norwood


    We share the same list but durability drops off considerably after Baldwin, Kearse and Norwood. Considering we have access to a decent (if not good) WR for the 6 spot, we may be wise to keep 6 this year (dropping a QB, if necessary).
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:00 pm
  • First off I would start Sidney Rice on IR to get fully healthy and up to speed Rice can replace Lockette during the season.

    1)Percy Harvin- past injury concerns
    2)Doug Baldwin- Mr. Reliable
    3)Jermaine Kearse- special teams contributer and phyical outside numbers WR
    4)Paul Richardson- potential Injury concerns (slight frame)
    5)Kevin Norwood- special teams contributer
    6)Ricardo Lockette- for special teams reasons until Sidney Rice is fully healthy

    you have to expect injuries to happen during the season so having a fully healthy Sidney Rice in your back pocket is a good thing. He knows the playbook and already has a good relationship with RW in the passing game so that would be a nice option if we lose a player in the first half of the season. Also I see it as time for rookie WR Kevin Norwood to get a feel for the speed of the game and ease into the Lockette special teams role. I see Norwood as a Jermaine Kearse when he first came in cutting his teeth in special teams before really contributing to the passing game in a year or two.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:09 pm
  • What happens when Andre Johnson is granted a release and he wants to come here to win a couple rings :D :D :D
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Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:26 pm
  • Ziggyy108 wrote:What happens when Andre Johnson is granted a release and he wants to come here to win a couple rings :D :D :D


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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:31 pm
  • Ziggyy108 wrote:What happens when Andre Johnson is granted a release and he wants to come here to win a couple rings :D :D :D


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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:34 pm
  • Am I the only one who wants to see the potential of 2012 Sidney Rice combined with SB Percy Harvin?
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:37 pm
  • Ziggyy108 wrote:What happens when Andre Johnson is granted a release and he wants to come here to win a couple rings :D :D :D


    Fun thought but we can't be tying up any more money in the position (imo). . Right now we have a real good balance of pricey players that can flat out ball and some cheaper players,,,that can also flat out ball. Even at his advanced age and desire to win a ring, I doubt Johnson would play for the money we'd want to offer him. But I could be wrong, too.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:49 pm
  • I bet there will be a trade of one of the receivers. I think they may try to get trade value out of Kearse.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:07 pm
  • HawkDabz wrote:I bet there will be a trade of one of the receivers. I think they may try to get trade value out of Kearse.


    I could see it. The Browns may be desperate to get a receiver.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:29 pm
  • Rewatch our run through the playoffs and Super Bowl. Lockette made some very clutch, key plays for us in those games, and not just on special teams. And word is, he's only getting better.

    Our two rookies, as high as their potential ceilings might be, have a lot of catching up to do before they contribute what he does already.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:33 pm
  • Seahawk Sailor wrote:Rewatch our run through the playoffs and Super Bowl. Lockette made some very clutch, key plays for us in those games, and not just on special teams. And word is, he's only getting better.

    Our two rookies, as high as their potential ceilings might be, have a lot of catching up to do before they contribute what he does already.


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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:29 pm
  • If Rice starts off on the pup, then great, see how Lockette does and make a decision week 6-9. If Rice gets a full-go for OTA's but still is still playing less than 100% then I think the deciding factor will be Richardson and Norwood's progression, not Lockettes. If the two young guys prove they can compete and make plays, I'm not sure there's roster space for a less-than 100% receiver, but IF rice is healthy, he's a top-3 receiver on this team. I'm hopeful he comes back strong.

    Seahawk Sailor wrote:Rewatch our run through the playoffs and Super Bowl. Lockette made some very clutch, key plays for us in those games, and not just on special teams. And word is, he's only getting better.

    Our two rookies, as high as their potential ceilings might be, have a lot of catching up to do before they contribute what he does already.

    Looking through the stat-line, Lockette made 1 catch in the playoff/superbowl run. The only other catch I remember of his during the season off the top of my head is the sideline snag against the saints and even that ball he didn't catch clean. A challenge would have ruled it incomplete. IMO, he's got a ways to go to prove he can catch the ball consistently. Hopefully preseason gives him that chance.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:45 am
  • Wow. Such a difficult decision. Can you imagine if Tate didn't become a lion.
    Anyway I think Recon is right. Besides being a minimal contributor on offense Lockette also made one boneheaded play on ST in the playoffs. Kearse is just as valuable on ST with returner experience as well as gunner. If we have to switch off channel 83 to keep our core WR group we will do so again. Just as we've learned in the past and 49ers will agree is that Ricardo is not " a bird in hand". We have good speed even with Lockette gone. The two new hawks we drafted are unique talents as one averages 40 yds per score and the other is looking like a faster younger Aqua Bolden for us. Both have sure hands. No Hawk has Rice ' s catching radius and hands when he is healthy.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:26 pm
  • #1) Percy Harvin
    #2) Doug Baldwin
    #3) Jermaine Kearse
    #4) Paul Richardson
    #5) Kevin Norwood
    #6) Chris Matthews

    Sidney Rice - PUP

    Ricardo Lockette - I'm sorry but, he's out...
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    Once again, for whys:
    Harvin for Horizontal stretch/speed
    PRich for Vertical stretch/speed
    Matthews for Red Zone size/height
    Baldwin, Kearse, and Norwood for the tough chain moving catches, intensity, effort, and consistency.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:58 am
  • Harvin
    Baldwin
    Kearse
    Norwood
    Richardson

    Barring injury those are your 5 locks the battle will come down to Rice , Matthews and Lockette if Rice can stay healthy he will likely secure the final spot. Now normally I'd have Rice as a lock but injuries are a very real threat to his ability to make the team this year. All of this is subject to change I need to see the two rookies play in preseason before any real analysis can be done . Right now there locks because they were drafted but they really shouldn't be because neither of them has proved a thing.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:38 pm
  • Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

    I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:46 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

    I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.


    Lockette is going to make the team, not sure why this is in doubt. We should trade Kearse and keep Mathews ASSUMING he has reliable hands. Baldwin and Norwood has the same skill set as Kearse.
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    Norwood Yes
    Baldwin Yes
    Lockette Yes
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:00 pm
  • chris98251 wrote:Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

    I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.

    It's simply lunacy to think that they'll get much for Kearse. He barely has 500 yards in two years, and that's counting postseason. As for Baldwin, why would they trade away a player they just signed?

    Even if the rookies or Matthews step up, they would only be stepping up in training camp or preseason, which is a far cry from the regular season. Trading away fairly cheap, young and proven talent (despite what I said about Kearse above, he's infinitely more proven than the other three) for mere potential is simply crazy. Green Bay had a far more talented receiving corps after they won the Super Bowl. They had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver, Finley and the rookie Cobb, and they didn't trade anybody away. It's not like Seattle will be short on draft picks considering all the compensatory picks they'll be getting.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:08 pm
  • seahawk12thman wrote:Lockette is going to make the team, not sure why this is in doubt.

    Why wouldn't it be in doubt? How many yards did he save by making those special team tackles? Considering that he incurred a 15-yard penalty in the Super Bowl, I'm going to guess that he was actually a net negative overall. If Carroll keeps having Ryan intentionally not punt it very far so that the punts are easier to cover, there are plenty of several other players who could take his place without too much dropoff.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:29 pm
  • To me its going to be

    1) Percy Harvin
    2) Doug Baldwin
    3) Paul Richardson
    4) Jermaine Kearse
    5) Kevin Norwood
    6) Matthews

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    I think Lockette is by by, only way he stays is injury or Matthews is a bust, whish all accounts he is not.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:36 pm
  • DavidSeven wrote:ST value breaks ties; it doesn't get you on by itself at the receiver position. Lockette and Rice are not comparable in receiver skill. As purely a receiver, Lockette is a fringe NFL talent and ain't no offensive player making this team as a gunner specialist. In theory, Richardson, Norwood, even KPL or any number of rookies could fill out the gunner spot opposite Lane. Lockette still has a good a shot as most, but his two ST plays from last year aren't going to guarantee him anything. IMO, he's probably at around his ceiling as a receiver. The dude has been in the NFL for three seasons now.


    That's assuming that players peak in year 3 and don't improve. If that were the case, Tate wouldn't have had the year he had last year.

    Lockette was considered raw coming out of college. So was Tate to a certain degree. Thing is, if Lockette was considered the least bit polished, he never would've went undrafted with his physical skills, Keep in mind, he's still the fastest guy on the team (faster posted 40 time than Richards) and he's 6'2" and 215 pounds, which is about as large as Norwood...with Olympic class speed.

    Lock hasn't been asked to win jump balls because of his skill set, but there's no reason to think he can't, or can't work on and improve that part of his game. The truth is, we only know what we see on TV and hear in the media., We can only guess as to the potential of any of these guys, how they progress, and how much they improve during practices and TC.

    I know Lockette is one of the best guys on ST's, which Carroll places a large emphasis on. After that, I can't tell you how good he's getting as he's buried on the depth chart and Wilson isn't Kaepernick: he spreads the ball around. Kearse had a whopping 4 TD's in the regular season but it's all we talk about is how much he's improved (which he has). Baldwin had, what...5 ? Lockette is also a damned good downfield blocker. You're not going to get stats in this offense and I don't watch every route Lock runs, so I won't make those assumptions.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:29 pm
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    DavidSeven wrote:ST value breaks ties; it doesn't get you on by itself at the receiver position. Lockette and Rice are not comparable in receiver skill. As purely a receiver, Lockette is a fringe NFL talent and ain't no offensive player making this team as a gunner specialist. In theory, Richardson, Norwood, even KPL or any number of rookies could fill out the gunner spot opposite Lane. Lockette still has a good a shot as most, but his two ST plays from last year aren't going to guarantee him anything. IMO, he's probably at around his ceiling as a receiver. The dude has been in the NFL for three seasons now.


    That's assuming that players peak in year 3 and don't improve. If that were the case, Tate wouldn't have had the year he had last year.

    Lockette was considered raw coming out of college. So was Tate to a certain degree. Thing is, if Lockette was considered the least bit polished, he never would've went undrafted with his physical skills, Keep in mind, he's still the fastest guy on the team (faster posted 40 time than Richards) and he's 6'2" and 215 pounds, which is about as large as Norwood...with Olympic class speed.

    Lock hasn't been asked to win jump balls because of his skill set, but there's no reason to think he can't, or can't work on and improve that part of his game. The truth is, we only know what we see on TV and hear in the media., We can only guess as to the potential of any of these guys, how they progress, and how much they improve during practices and TC.

    I know Lockette is one of the best guys on ST's, which Carroll places a large emphasis on. After that, I can't tell you how good he's getting as he's buried on the depth chart and Wilson isn't Kaepernick: he spreads the ball around. Kearse had a whopping 4 TD's in the regular season but it's all we talk about is how much he's improved (which he has). Baldwin had, what...5 ? Lockette is also a damned good downfield blocker. You're not going to get stats in this offense and I don't watch every route Lock runs, so I won't make those assumptions.

    You're seriously far too enthralled with pure speed. Don't you think the fact that he's the fastest receiver on the team and still couldn't manage more than 8.6% of the snaps and 5 receptions on a team that had depth issues with their WR corps raises a massive red flag on the other parts of his game? Carroll is clearly someone who will let anyone have playing time, regardless of their draft position, so the fact that he still can't get any three years in except in 5-wide sets is very telling.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:21 am
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    chris98251 wrote:Kearse or Baldwin would be the trade candidates I would think if our rookies or Mathews steps up, Lockette while a great gunner has not established his ability during normal play so doubt we would try. Jackson and Pryor could also be on the block for a team in need. We also have a congested RB situation to factor into this. Keeping an extra RB may cost a TE or WR spot as well. I think we may see a couple moves after a couple weeks of Pre Season when things happen unforeseen.

    I don't want to see Kearse or Baldwin moved, but we are now blessed with depth and keeping depth means trading some of it as your players establish themselves and the youngsters develop. You would never get a better deal then guys that are cheap and young as far as value either.Teams will give a higher pick for a guy on a fresh contract that is in his mid 20's.

    It's simply lunacy to think that they'll get much for Kearse. He barely has 500 yards in two years, and that's counting postseason. As for Baldwin, why would they trade away a player they just signed?

    Even if the rookies or Matthews step up, they would only be stepping up in training camp or preseason, which is a far cry from the regular season. Trading away fairly cheap, young and proven talent (despite what I said about Kearse above, he's infinitely more proven than the other three) for mere potential is simply crazy. Green Bay had a far more talented receiving corps after they won the Super Bowl. They had Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Driver, Finley and the rookie Cobb, and they didn't trade anybody away. It's not like Seattle will be short on draft picks considering all the compensatory picks they'll be getting.


    Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself. There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes. We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

    Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:31 am
  • Lockette would have no problem making it if he could catch the ball consistently. It's kinda important when you are a wide receiver.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:43 am
  • chris98251 wrote:Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself.

    No one knows how healthy RIce will be, or Harvin for that matter.

    There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes.

    Given how poor Denver's pass defense was, there are quite a lot of receivers that could have made an impact. His contributions mainly occurred after the game as out of hand, in any case, and he couldn't hang on to a touchdown when the game was still close. As for working for his share of the minutes, that's not how other teams will see it. They'll see a player put into service mainly because of the lack of depth on Seattle. They'll take note of the fact that when Harvin came back in the Super Bowl, Kearse only received one third of the snaps.

    We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

    Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.

    Baldwin has shown the ability to do both much better than Kearse did, and for three straight years. No one even showed n interest in offering a second round pick for him. The team that values him the most is the Seahawks themselves.
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Re: Which WRs Do We Keep?
Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:07 am
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    chris98251 wrote:Kearse has stepped up and made big plays in critical times, he was the safety net in the event Rice was injured and stepped up big, given we have Norwood and Rice Kearse has more value, Rice if healthy can give us a year while Norwood proves himself.

    No one knows how healthy RIce will be, or Harvin for that matter.

    There are plenty of teams that would value a Super Bowl impact WR and one that has had to work to get his share of minutes.

    Given how poor Denver's pass defense was, there are quite a lot of receivers that could have made an impact. His contributions mainly occurred after the game as out of hand, in any case, and he couldn't hang on to a touchdown when the game was still close. As for working for his share of the minutes, that's not how other teams will see it. They'll see a player put into service mainly because of the lack of depth on Seattle. They'll take note of the fact that when Harvin came back in the Super Bowl, Kearse only received one third of the snaps.

    We spread the ball around and run the ball, none of our receivers are 1000 yard guys so throw the 500 yds out the window. It's clutch time we ask these guys to step up and the big play. Kearse has shown the ability to do both.

    Kearse was a UDFA, getting anything close to mid round and up is making bank.

    Baldwin has shown the ability to do both much better than Kearse did, and for three straight years. No one even showed n interest in offering a second round pick for him. The team that values him the most is the Seahawks themselves.



    Where did I say second round, I said Mid Round, and we rotate our receivers a lot, with depth it would seem you would just cut him and get nothing when there is a market for a receiver that can run, catch balls in traffic and go after jump balls, he is only going to improve as well.

    Baldwin was offered a second round tender to keep him, there was interest but not at the cost of a second rounder. This draft class was deep at WR as well.

    My point was mostly that we have a depth of receivers that could contribute to other teams and once things begin to shake out there is a possibility of getting something for a couple versus letting them just walk. There are still teams that need WR help andwe have two that have shown ability to make a difference that are young and have proven themselves in game, playoff, championship situations.

    Oh and the game was out of hand by the end of the 1st quarter, so using your logic nothing any player did after means anything?
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