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No surprise.

Also released: Swain, Knox, Wilkins, Ashford, Konz, Lintz, Martin Parker and Nelson.

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Yeah, Seahawks just announced Jesse Williams is on IR. Won't play this season.

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I'm actually glad for him. McDaniels showed us we don't need to rush back YOLO too soon, and I'd rather Williams get his knee right by building strength in his legs before he gets shoved back on the field.

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I'm actually glad for him. McDaniels showed us we don't need to rush back YOLO too soon, and I'd rather Williams get his knee right by building strength in his legs before he gets shoved back on the field.


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Man, the Dolphins seriously have KILLER depth across their Dline. McDaniel was their Clinton McDonald, and dude's just a baller for us.

No sarcasm, the fins line is scary.


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I'm surprised we went ir and not pup. His knee may be worse that I thought.

At this point, Williams has a good shot to never play a meaningful Nfl snap. And that bums me out.

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Bummer about Williams. Good point about PUPing him, but he might not have been worth a darn late in the season anyway. Better to get him back healthy and learn a few things in training camp next year before being thrown against NFL offensive lines.


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 Post subject: Re: DT Williams on IR
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He was advertised as a project with high upside. Still worth the 5th round pick. Lets see what a year of rehab with the training staff does for the guy.

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They probably want to redshirt him, which is why they went IR instead of PUP. He really didn't show anything during pre-season that suggested he'd have won a roster spot outright. IR makes sense. Doesn't necessarily mean doom and gloom for his knee.


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Good move, the guy just wasn't healthy. This is an opportunity to spend a year learning the game and rehabbing his knee, guaranteeing he will be at camp for us next year, rather than releasing him outright.

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This was the best move for him. Allows him a full year to try and get those knees healthy. He did not look right out there.

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I'm surprised we went ir and not pup. His knee may be worse that I thought.

At this point, Williams has a good shot to never play a meaningful Nfl snap. And that bums me out.


You cannot go PUP once the guy has participated in training. You can go PUP if they get injured prior to which is what happened with Percy Harvin.

If they get injuried during training camp then you can either put them on IR for the season or you can select ONE player that gets IR but designated for return after being out for a minimum of 6 weeks.

So with drafted rookies you want them in training camp and then IR them for the season vs not getting them the experience in training camp. You want to save the IR with return for an injury to a key player that you think will come back during the season (could get injured during the season for this designation).

SO PUP was not an option.


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Strange that Tharold Simon didn't get placed on IR.


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Good move, but sad we won't see the Monstar for a year. Hope he gets those knees healthy.

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Strange that Tharold Simon didn't get placed on IR.


They got to 75 without having too. We'll see what happens next week.

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I'm glad for Williams. He has a ton of upside if he just focuses on getting his knee completely healed, gets quality training to strengthen his legs and core and next year learns more technique to engage and win NFL O-Line battles.

I really have a lot of hope for him.


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vbest case scenario really for Jesse. Gets to learn and added lower body strength in preparation for next year without having to worry about contributing on game day.

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 Post subject: Re: DT Williams on IR
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Scuzzlebutt's legs are too thick. Williams needs to spend his time doing squats and yoga. His legs are an embarrassment.


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Basis4day wrote:
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Strange that Tharold Simon didn't get placed on IR.


They got to 75 without having too. We'll see what happens next week.

They are at 81.

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Oh well, hopefully he can develop some leg strength now.

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Strange that Tharold Simon didn't get placed on IR.


They got to 75 without having too. We'll see what happens next week.

They are at 81.


Thanks. Got that straightened out in one of the cut down threads. Forgot i posted here.

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I'm glad for Williams. He has a ton of upside if he just focuses on getting his knee completely healed, gets quality training to strengthen his legs and core and next year learns more technique to engage and win NFL O-Line battles.

I really have a lot of hope for him.



"Hope springs eternal" in the NFL! IMO....this move to the IR was the only smart thing to do.....giving him one more chance next year. We'll see next Spring if he is at full strength.


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He's a mediocre player. His not going to get better after a year off. Too many other good run stuffers available for cheap. I don't see how he's going to improve not playing, practicing or working on his technique.

Just another bad SEC pick.

Is Simon the next IR (probly not, he feels too entitled for that) or will they practice squad him (won't wanna do that either but has no choice or be cut)? Thank god Ware can ball.


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He's a mediocre player. His not going to get better after a year off. Too many other good run stuffers available for cheap. I don't see how he's going to improve not playing, practicing or working on his technique.

Just another bad SEC pick.

Is Simon the next IR (probly not, he feels too entitled for that) or will they practice squad him (won't wanna do that either but has no choice or be cut)? Thank god Ware can ball.

You learned all of that from TC and 2 preseason games? He's going to improve by letting his knees heal. He was an injury risk to begin with that's why he fell so far. He's not the first drafted player to be redshirted and he certainly won't be the last.


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He's a mediocre player. His not going to get better after a year off. Too many other good run stuffers available for cheap. I don't see how he's going to improve not playing, practicing or working on his technique.

Just another bad SEC pick.

Is Simon the next IR (probly not, he feels too entitled for that) or will they practice squad him (won't wanna do that either but has no choice or be cut)? Thank god Ware can ball.

You learned all of that from TC and 2 preseason games? He's going to improve by letting his knees heal. He was an injury risk to begin with that's why he fell so far. He's not the first drafted player to be redshirted and he certainly won't be the last.


Nope, some of us watch Alabama and SEC football. And its one knee "supposedly".


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He's a mediocre player. His not going to get better after a year off. Too many other good run stuffers available for cheap. I don't see how he's going to improve not playing, practicing or working on his technique.

Just another bad SEC pick.

Is Simon the next IR (probly not, he feels too entitled for that) or will they practice squad him (won't wanna do that either but has no choice or be cut)? Thank god Ware can ball.

You learned all of that from TC and 2 preseason games? He's going to improve by letting his knees heal. He was an injury risk to begin with that's why he fell so far. He's not the first drafted player to be redshirted and he certainly won't be the last.


Nope, some of us watch Alabama and SEC football. And its one knee "supposedly".


Ah ok. What were JS and PC thinking?


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Ah ok. What were JS and PC thinking?


Gamble, we are thin at zero technique, fell to 5th round, possible run stopper, tremendous upper body strength not seen since Chris Spencer, arthritic knee.

Its not a horrible decision, just not a good one. And just so you know, Simon wasn't a good one either. I think our area scout in SEC land sucked, he's gone now. The new guy from the Chiefs seems like he has his stuff together unlike the guy who had ALS and was busy fighting for his life.


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I'm actually glad for him. McDaniels showed us we don't need to rush back YOLO too soon, and I'd rather Williams get his knee right by building strength in his legs before he gets shoved back on the field.


GAWD, what a relief! He blocked my irritating ass on Twitter because I was so persistent in telling him he needed to get with the Hawks' SC/PT staff to develop a regimen for his knees and legs.

All the while, he's doing his off-season hero's welcome tour of Australia, and getting his workouts by doing such lame things as tumbling loader tires around a compound of an AUSTRALIAN strength and fitness company. YEAH, they're going to know how to target his workouts to suit playing in the NFL, and that sounds wonderful for his lame knees!

Going on IR is the best thing for him right now by far, IMO.


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Ah ok. What were JS and PC thinking?


Gamble, we are thin at zero technique, fell to 5th round, possible run stopper, tremendous upper body strength not seen since Chris Spencer, arthritic knee.

Its not a horrible decision, just not a good one. And just so you know, Simon wasn't a good one either. I think our area scout in SEC land sucked, he's gone now. The new guy from the Chiefs seems like he has his stuff together unlike the guy who had ALS and was busy fighting for his life.


So if they both pan out next year, will your opinion of our area scout change?


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Ah ok. What were JS and PC thinking?


Gamble, we are thin at zero technique, fell to 5th round, possible run stopper, tremendous upper body strength not seen since Chris Spencer, arthritic knee.

Its not a horrible decision, just not a good one. And just so you know, Simon wasn't a good one either. I think our area scout in SEC land sucked, he's gone now. The new guy from the Chiefs seems like he has his stuff together unlike the guy who had ALS and was busy fighting for his life.


So if they both pan out next year, will your opinion of our area scout change?


I love these no lose scenarios for you.

How about if both don't pan out next year you change your signature to something I like? Deal?


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Stoned Cold wrote:
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Ah ok. What were JS and PC thinking?


Gamble, we are thin at zero technique, fell to 5th round, possible run stopper, tremendous upper body strength not seen since Chris Spencer, arthritic knee.

Its not a horrible decision, just not a good one. And just so you know, Simon wasn't a good one either. I think our area scout in SEC land sucked, he's gone now. The new guy from the Chiefs seems like he has his stuff together unlike the guy who had ALS and was busy fighting for his life.


What's wrong with KJ Wright, Christine Michael & Spencer Ware, not to mention the potential of James Carpenter who has simply been unfortunate with injuries, and Jaye Howard who has looked like he has certainly improved this year

Or are a few 5th and 6th round picks really that important to you?


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Strange that Tharold Simon didn't get placed on IR.


The team keeps more options open with this move b/c if he gets healthy he may prove to be an interesting mid-season addition to ST or more easily slid over to the PS without losing him.

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i dont proclaim to be an all knowing expert but ive read many comments about guys like williams lower bodies, and cant stop smh. heres my 2 cents for what its worth. yes certain guys are built differently than others, but guys like williams didnt make it in the league without top tier genetics. its ridiculous imo to sit here and say he just isnt built big on the bottom...i can assure you, a guy with genetics to move like that has the ability to put on lots of muscle mass on his legs if healthy.. have you guys ever tried to squat/deadlift with a bum knee? it doesnt work well. let this guy take this year to prove whether he can/cant get healthy before you keep blaming his small lower body cause im more than willing to bet its not to do with having weak legs, rather weak legs being a product of his knee issues. unfortunately for his case, if its degenerative, he may never be able to strengthen his legs to an elite level. all we can do is remain optimistic on williams as hes clearly a project.


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