If Marqise Lee fell to 32

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 7:03 pm
  • Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 8:39 pm
  • If you haven't seen Kiper and McShays head to head three round mock on ESPN they will probably replay it some time tonight. They just did the first round but there were nine WR's taken in the first round with Matthews going at 22 and Lee 23 . It could have been 23 and 24 anyway it's interesting .
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 9:40 pm
  • If tavon austin was in this year's Draft I think most would argue he is better than brandon cooks, unless in a perfect situation small wr's never seem to pan out. I think cook is more talented than I have rated him but at his size I'd just as well take Ellington or Richardson a few rounds later.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 1:11 am
  • General Manager wrote:If you haven't seen Kiper and McShays head to head three round mock on ESPN they will probably replay it some time tonight. They just did the first round but there were nine WR's taken in the first round with Matthews going at 22 and Lee 23 . It could have been 23 and 24 anyway it's interesting .


    Cuz they totally know what they're talking about lol
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:59 am
  • Chawker wrote:Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.


    We also signed offensive linemen to future contracts too. Does that rule out OT as well?

    General Manager wrote:If you haven't seen Kiper and McShays head to head three round mock on ESPN they will probably replay it some time tonight. They just did the first round but there were nine WR's taken in the first round with Matthews going at 22 and Lee 23 . It could have been 23 and 24 anyway it's interesting .


    The most interesting thing was McShay laughing at Kiper for the pick.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 5:33 am
  • I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 8:09 am
  • Chawker wrote:Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.


    You think signing a CFL player that is a longshot to make the roster will preclude the Seahawks from drafting a WR early?
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 8:13 am
  • Thats true English, but it makes the liklyhood of us not drafting a big WR early say round 1 for instance.
    We do however need a returner, a smaller type of WR.......or maybe a CB. For round 1 my moneys on taking a defensive player, Tuitt or Martin........or if the right DB falls to us. OL in the second round. cheers
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 8:18 am
  • I have Lee rated as the 3rd best WR in the class behind Mike Evans and Sammy Watkins
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 8:37 am
  • If he drops that far we run to the podium giggling maniacally all the way.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 11:51 am
  • ImTheScientist wrote:I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.


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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 11:59 am
  • Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:If you haven't seen Kiper and McShays head to head three round mock on ESPN they will probably replay it some time tonight. They just did the first round but there were nine WR's taken in the first round with Matthews going at 22 and Lee 23 . It could have been 23 and 24 anyway it's interesting .


    Cuz they totally know what they're talking about lol


    Not at all but this notion that I'm out of my mind because i have a couple WR's I prefer over Lee is ridiculous . If his knee is 100% and he really didn't hurt it structually I'd love to have him at 32. I just can't find anything definitive on it.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 12:11 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.


    Someone needs to put the bong down.


    Its not that far fetched kid. Many experts feel he is top 3 in this years class.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:07 pm
  • The near fact Lee could be available at #32 shows how deep this class is. I think he is a better prospect than Crabtree and Blackmon who both went to 10.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:17 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.


    Someone needs to put the bong down.



    Oh the irony!
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:28 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:If you haven't seen Kiper and McShays head to head three round mock on ESPN they will probably replay it some time tonight. They just did the first round but there were nine WR's taken in the first round with Matthews going at 22 and Lee 23 . It could have been 23 and 24 anyway it's interesting .


    Cuz they totally know what they're talking about lol


    Not at all but this notion that I'm out of my mind because i have a couple WR's I prefer over Lee is ridiculous . If his knee is 100% and he really didn't hurt it structually I'd love to have him at 32. I just can't find anything definitive on it.


    They had Adams, Matthews and BRUCE ELLINGTON getting into Round 1. I'd be floored if that happens.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:29 pm
  • Chawker wrote:Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.


    Matthews won't even make the roster when its all said and done.

    Much better talent available in the draft.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Fri May 02, 2014 2:51 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    General Manager wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.


    Someone needs to put the bong down.



    Oh the irony!


    Agreed some of the analysis is deeply flawed around here.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 6:19 am
  • I saw Lee on a mock yesterday. Frankly, I think JS would grab Latimer over Lee. He and Pete seem really into these rising WR names we've been hearing about lately.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 12:21 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    General Manager wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:I think Lee is the best WR in this class when its all said and done.


    Someone needs to put the bong down.



    Oh the irony!


    Agreed some of the analysis is deeply flawed around here.



    I'm glad you agree your analysis is flawed.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 12:37 pm
  • Rob Rang has him mocked to us. :stirthepot:
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 1:47 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:Rob Rang has him mocked to us. :stirthepot:


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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 4:06 pm
  • If Marquise Lee fell to 32...... Then why not take him.?
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 4:35 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    Chawker wrote:Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.


    Matthews won't even make the roster when its all said and done.

    Much better talent available in the draft.


    You maybe right..... time will tell. Still he was the rookie of the year in the CFL with the Winnapeg Blue Bombers. We'll see if he can play on a smaller field with better competition. Personally, I hope the kids got game. cheers
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sat May 03, 2014 4:52 pm
  • Chawker wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:
    Chawker wrote:Why? We signed the rookie of the year from the CFL Chris Matthews 6' 5" 218 #87 4.5 37 vert. doubt we'll be drafting any WR in the first few rounds.


    Matthews won't even make the roster when its all said and done.

    Much better talent available in the draft.


    You maybe right..... time will tell. Still he was the rookie of the year in the CFL with the Winnapeg Blue Bombers. We'll see if he can play on a smaller field with better competition. Personally, I hope the kids got game. cheers


    Just a question for hasselbeck: Have you watched this Matthews kid play?

    I mean, how the heck do you know that he won't make the team, or that there is 'much better' talent in the draft? Based on your keen eye for WR evaluation and all of the tape (college and CFL) you have watched? C'mon man. No need hate like that. You can call it a cinderella case if you want, but plenty of UDFAs and the like make teams over some 'highly talented' drafted players, obviously.

    Lets at least wait until some TC happens before we just blindly write players off that we don't know much about. He has a chance if he is a competitor.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 5:50 am
  • Coug, you may not be a big fan of Hasselbeck's blanket denial that Matthews will make the squad, but is a solid statement. Rice, Harvin, Baldwin, and Kearse are likely to have a lock on the top 4 spots. Lockette emerged as a force in special teams, translating his speed to the field, which should give him an edge for the 5th spot. If Seattle commits to a rookie in the first 3 rounds, as I expect, that would be the 6th spot. I think it is extremely unlikely Matthews cracks one of those top 6 spots.

    Operating in the premise of this thread, that would give us Harvin, Lee, Baldwin, Kearse, Rice, Lockette. Matthews would have to be pretty damn good, and maybe a special teams ace, to get one of those 6 spots. Or Rice would have to still have serious lingering knee issues, which is entirely possible. Or Lockette could make headlines again with his bosom buddy, Kaeperstank, and get the boot.

    I have watched everything there is of Matthews, and I don't see it. He is BMW without the ice cream addiction. Not fast, great hands, gets a lot of passes broken up because he simply is not separating. In the CFL.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 7:01 am
  • Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 7:40 am
  • If Lee and KB are both there at #32 I think it is not a cut and dry decision. If e plan on spending money to keep Baldwin long term then we'd pass on Lee. If we are sold on Kearse long term and think Sidney can produce the I think we pass on KB. There is more boom or busy potential with KB and this team trends to take their chances.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 1:13 pm
  • RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    Thankfully you are not our GM. It would be incredibly frustrating if they passed on Lee to take Benjamin, although I highly doubt they would do so.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 1:15 pm
  • I think the 9ers may snatch him, but yeah I'd jump skip and hop up to the podium to draft Lee.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 1:52 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 3:10 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    Thankfully you are not our GM. It would be incredibly frustrating if they passed on Lee to take Benjamin, although I highly doubt they would do so.


    At least he provided reasoning.

    How about you give some reasons why Lee is better than Benjamin. Or even better, how about you tell us why Lee will be the best receiver in this class.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 4:11 pm
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    Thankfully you are not our GM. It would be incredibly frustrating if they passed on Lee to take Benjamin, although I highly doubt they would do so.


    At least he provided reasoning.

    How about you give some reasons why Lee is better than Benjamin. Or even better, how about you tell us why Lee will be the best receiver in this class.


    The tape, work ethic, route running, hands, feel for the game. He reminds me a lot of Reggie Wayne. There are plenty of WRs in this class that will have great careers. My comments are more of a compliment to Lee than a knock on others.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 7:14 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:Thankfully you are not our GM. It would be incredibly frustrating if they passed on Lee to take Benjamin, although I highly doubt they would do so.


    At least he provided reasoning.

    How about you give some reasons why Lee is better than Benjamin. Or even better, how about you tell us why Lee will be the best receiver in this class.


    The tape, work ethic, route running, hands, feel for the game. He reminds me a lot of Reggie Wayne. There are plenty of WRs in this class that will have great careers. My comments are more of a compliment to Lee than a knock on others.

    I'm not going to argue against "tape, work ethic, and feel for the game" cause it's so generic of an answer it's almost impossible to argue. That said, if you think Lee has better tape than Watkins or Evans, I'd say you never watched them play or just ignored Lee's 2013 season.

    I won't disagree with route running. It's one skill of Lee's I think he's among the best in this class, but his hands? No one watching him play this year can seriously say his hands are among his best qualities and its one of the main things holding him back from being in the same tier as Watkins and Evans.

    According to secondroundstats.com here's the list of the top receivers' drop rate:
    J. Landry: 2.5%
    M. Evans: 4.29%
    S. Watkins: 4.49%
    B. Cooks: 4.69%
    A. Robinson: 5.43%
    O. Beckham: 6.45%
    J. Matthews: 7.69%
    J. Saunders: 7.94%
    P. Richardson: 8.89%
    K. Benjamin: 9.68%
    D. Moncrief: 9.68%
    L. Washington: 12.07%
    M. Lee: 12.31%
    M. Bryant: 12.5%

    He didn't have these bad of drops or body catching issues in 2012, but it's there in 2013. If he fixes these problems, he'll be a hell of a player, but if it continues into the pros, he'll struggle to be anywhere close to top of his class.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 7:35 pm
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:Thankfully you are not our GM. It would be incredibly frustrating if they passed on Lee to take Benjamin, although I highly doubt they would do so.


    At least he provided reasoning.

    How about you give some reasons why Lee is better than Benjamin. Or even better, how about you tell us why Lee will be the best receiver in this class.


    The tape, work ethic, route running, hands, feel for the game. He reminds me a lot of Reggie Wayne. There are plenty of WRs in this class that will have great careers. My comments are more of a compliment to Lee than a knock on others.

    I'm not going to argue against "tape, work ethic, and feel for the game" cause it's so generic of an answer it's almost impossible to argue. That said, if you think Lee has better tape than Watkins or Evans, I'd say you never watched them play or just ignored Lee's 2013 season.

    I won't disagree with route running. It's one skill of Lee's I think he's among the best in this class, but his hands? No one watching him play this year can seriously say his hands are among his best qualities and its one of the main things holding him back from being in the same tier as Watkins and Evans.

    According to secondroundstats.com here's the list of the top receivers' drop rate:
    J. Landry: 2.5%
    M. Evans: 4.29%
    S. Watkins: 4.49%
    B. Cooks: 4.69%
    A. Robinson: 5.43%
    O. Beckham: 6.45%
    J. Matthews: 7.69%
    J. Saunders: 7.94%
    P. Richardson: 8.89%
    K. Benjamin: 9.68%
    D. Moncrief: 9.68%
    L. Washington: 12.07%
    M. Lee: 12.31%
    M. Bryant: 12.5%

    He didn't have these bad of drops or body catching issues in 2012, but it's there in 2013. If he fixes these problems, he'll be a hell of a player, but if it continues into the pros, he'll struggle to be anywhere close to top of his class.


    He was injured last year. Look back at 2012...
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 7:42 pm
  • RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    I dunno about you, bro, but I had enough of drops back in 2004, Kelvin Benjamin might drop the hat and jersey at his introduction press conference here.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 8:09 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    I dunno about you, bro, but I had enough of drops back in 2004, Kelvin Benjamin might drop the hat and jersey at his introduction press conference here.


    Yeah, Benjamin has poor work ethic and drops about 1/10 passes thrown his way.

    Our Fifth Round TE Luke Willson is also much faster and provides a bigger target than Benjamin:

    Willson's 40 time: 4.51
    Benjamin's 40 time: 4.61

    Willson's 10-yard split: 1.61
    Benjamin's 10-yard split: 1.67

    Willson's short shuttle: 4.29
    Benjamin's short shuttle: 4.39

    Willson's 3-cone: 7.08
    Benjamin's 3-cone: 7.33

    Willson's vertical: 38
    Benjamin's vertical: 32.5

    Willson's broad jump: 10.17
    Benjamin's broad jump: 9.11

    Willson's bench press: 23
    Benjamin's bench press: 13
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 8:55 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:if you think Lee has better tape than Watkins or Evans, I'd say you never watched them play or just ignored Lee's 2013 season.


    He was injured last year. Look back at 2012...

    Yep. I figured.

    Last season's drops were not all about him playing hurt. Case in point, a horrible drop against ASU before his knee injury. Skip to 2m 24s


    Look, I'm not downplaying the pain he went through last season, but he injured his knee. Not his hands. It's extremely admirable what he went through, but for a receiver playing at 192lbs and mired with injuries, he's going to have to catch the ball despite playing hurt. It's part of the game. If it leads to a 12% drop rate, he's not gonna be top of his class. He just won't.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 10:34 pm
  • I have faith our coaches could improve just about any WR catching skills. Whereas size and speed cannot be coached.
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  • Well there is some speed training but overall speed is not that coachable.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 11:25 pm
  • hawknation2014 wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:Last season's drops were not all about him playing hurt. Case in point, a horrible drop against ASU before his knee injury.


    Lee also played the whole season with a shoulder injury, which he sustained during fall camp. That probably accounts for the sudden increase in his drop rate in 2013, in comparison to his low drop rate in 2011 and 2012. His left knee was subsequently injured in their loss to ASU.

    http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/08/u ... ed-tonight

    http://article.wn.com/view/2013/09/30/U ... ee_injury/


    That article doesn't say anything about his shoulder being serious or season lasting. Kiffen referred to it as a "small injury."

    Based on the information I could find (not saying I'm 100% right), Lee has said throughout the year his shoulder was fine to play, which goes back to what I said above. He's going to have to play through injuries in this league. If it causes drops, there should be questions how he'll perform against tougher competition in 16-20 game seasons.


    "USC wide receiver Marqise Lee was banned from speaking to the media since he bruised his shoulder, but the junior wanted to talk Monday and made up for lost time with opinions on a lot of topics.

    Lee said his shoulder was fine: ``I’m solid, 100 percent back. (USC coach Lane ) Kiffin wanted me to wear the yellow (non-contact) jersey in practice, not me.”

    The Biletnikoff Award winner admitted feeling a brief scare when he landed hard on his shoulder catching a deep pass during practice.

    ``Yeah, I was scared for a moment but I feel good now,’’ Lee said and he raised his right arm in the air to prove he regained his flexibility.
    http://www.dailynews.com/sports/2013081 ... awaii-game


    I'm not arguing against Lee being a great player at the next level. I've got him graded as a first round prospect behind, what I feel, are some outstanding receivers with big-time potential. Now, don't get me wrong. I do think a receivers hands can be improved through practice and improved concentration, but his drops and durability (along with other issues) are still concerning to me. Enough to pass on him at #32? No. Enough to question him as the best WR prospect in this class and even top 5 receiver fit for Seattle? Yes.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Sun May 04, 2014 11:51 pm
  • hawknation2014 wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    RiverDog wrote:
    Hasselbeck wrote:Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

    What say you?


    If we go with a WR at #32, assuming that Watkins and Evans are both off the board, I'd rather we take Kelvin Benjamin than Lee. We needs some height at that position to help our red zone efficiency, which at times was a real problem. Benjamin would at the very least create some matchup problems. But that all depends on who else at a couple of other positions are available at #32.

    There's two or three positions where I'd like to see us be opportunistic and take which ever one happens to fall. If there's a run on quarterbacks, one of those top 3 OT's could drop to the point where we might be able to snag one of them by trading up a couple of spots.


    I dunno about you, bro, but I had enough of drops back in 2004, Kelvin Benjamin might drop the hat and jersey at his introduction press conference here.


    Yeah, Benjamin has poor work ethic and drops about 1/10 passes thrown his way.

    Our Fifth Round TE Luke Willson is also much faster and provides a bigger target than Benjamin:

    Willson's 40 time: 4.51
    Benjamin's 40 time: 4.61

    Willson's 10-yard split: 1.61
    Benjamin's 10-yard split: 1.67

    Willson's short shuttle: 4.29
    Benjamin's short shuttle: 4.39

    Willson's 3-cone: 7.08
    Benjamin's 3-cone: 7.33

    Willson's vertical: 38
    Benjamin's vertical: 32.5

    Willson's broad jump: 10.17
    Benjamin's broad jump: 9.11

    Willson's bench press: 23
    Benjamin's bench press: 13


    Willson is a heckuva an athlete who really started to show those flashes later in the season.

    Also, on Lee, dude is an absolute stud. shoulda come out last year. He got injured and had terrible quarterbacks throwing him the ball. And Kifin......yuck.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 5:42 am
  • Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:if you think Lee has better tape than Watkins or Evans, I'd say you never watched them play or just ignored Lee's 2013 season.


    He was injured last year. Look back at 2012...

    Yep. I figured.

    Last season's drops were not all about him playing hurt. Case in point, a horrible drop against ASU before his knee injury. Skip to 2m 24s


    Look, I'm not downplaying the pain he went through last season, but he injured his knee. Not his hands. It's extremely admirable what he went through, but for a receiver playing at 192lbs and mired with injuries, he's going to have to catch the ball despite playing hurt. It's part of the game. If it leads to a 12% drop rate, he's not gonna be top of his class. He just won't.


    You really going to point to one drop as evidence to support your opinion?

    Doug Baldwin had a down year two years ago playing with injuries. Ya, its part of the game....but people bounce back from injuries when healthy. Are you judging Baldwin on his down year due to injuries or do you see the rest of the tape on him and realize he was injured and it affected his play? :1:

    If you want to win the internet I guess you tend to only judge on the injured year.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 9:23 am
  • Smellyman wrote:Also, on Lee, dude is an absolute stud. shoulda come out last year. He got injured and had terrible quarterbacks throwing him the ball. And Kifin......yuck.


    Lee was a true sophomore in 2012.. he had to return in 2013 to be eligible for the draft, same as Clowney.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 1:22 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:
    ImTheScientist wrote:
    Recon_Hawk wrote:if you think Lee has better tape than Watkins or Evans, I'd say you never watched them play or just ignored Lee's 2013 season.


    He was injured last year. Look back at 2012...

    Yep. I figured.

    Last season's drops were not all about him playing hurt. Case in point, a horrible drop against ASU before his knee injury. Skip to 2m 24s


    Look, I'm not downplaying the pain he went through last season, but he injured his knee. Not his hands. It's extremely admirable what he went through, but for a receiver playing at 192lbs and mired with injuries, he's going to have to catch the ball despite playing hurt. It's part of the game. If it leads to a 12% drop rate, he's not gonna be top of his class. He just won't.


    You really going to point to one drop as evidence to support your opinion?

    Doug Baldwin had a down year two years ago playing with injuries. Ya, its part of the game....but people bounce back from injuries when healthy. Are you judging Baldwin on his down year due to injuries or do you see the rest of the tape on him and realize he was injured and it affected his play? :1:

    If you want to win the internet I guess you tend to only judge on the injured year.


    You need evidence? That's funny. I never see you use any evidence or analysis in your posts. Usually it's blanket statements and slamming other posters' opinions without giving any reasons.

    My point was about Lee's increase in dropped passes, not his decrease in production. The biggest reason Baldwin had a down year was not injuries, it was a difference in the amount of targets from Tjack and Russell Wilson.

    Doug Baldwin:
    2012: 29 receptions 49 targets 366 yards 3 TDs
    2011: 51 receptions 86 targets 788 yards 4 TDs

    2012 Catch Rate: 59.2%
    2011 Catch Rate: 59.3%

    Baldwin still caught the same percentage of balls thrown his way, despite playing hurt.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 1:40 pm
  • Lee isn't particularly big he isn't all that physical I don't see a number 1 WR there. Imo Robinson is the player some of you think Lee is.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 2:43 pm
  • Lee is an impressive athlete and smooth runner. However, in the highlight packages I've watched of him, his catching style makes me uncomfortable. I get tired of the Mayockisms, but he doesn't look like a 'natural catcher' on film. Far too often he lets the ball get in too close to his body, even on jump balls. I don't see him use his hands well, but rather, cradle the ball into his body far too often. It just makes me nervous when I watch him. After he has the ball, it's all gravy.

    If Carroll and the gang believe they can teach him to be better catching the ball technically, I'm ok with him coming aboard if he's there. Although not as quick and fluid, I would prefer Allen Robinson if he's available. Several plays with him catching the ball at its highest point and coming down with it ala Alshon Jeffrey. Watch the highlight reels again on the two of them and I believe the difference in catching ability will really stand out...also love Robinson's YAC and size of course.

    Excited for draft week whomever we pick. I have some to appreciate the odd nature our drafts take as JSPC look at the board differently than most do. :snack:
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 4:12 pm
  • Coug_Hawk08 wrote:Just a question for hasselbeck: Have you watched this Matthews kid play? I mean, how the heck do you know that he won't make the team, or that there is 'much better' talent in the draft? Based on your keen eye for WR evaluation and all of the tape (college and CFL) you have watched?


    Yes.. and he wasn't all that impressive. Like Scott said, he's big and slow.. doesn't separate at all from a corner.. does appear to have solid hands but the highlight reel tapes don't really show drops. The Mike Williams pre-obesity comparisons are valid. And keep in mind what our WR corps looked like the year Williams made the team and compare that with what we have now.

    If he were entering the 2014 NFL Draft.. he wouldn't be in the discussion until Round 4/5 at the earliest, IMO. Hence why I said "much better talent in the draft" because well.. there is much better talent in the draft. Marqise Lee being one of several guys that fit that label.

    He could very well compete and battle and possibly stick around on the practice squad.. but he wont be on the 53 man roster with the guys that figure to be ahead of him.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon May 05, 2014 7:18 pm
  • Hasselbeck wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:Also, on Lee, dude is an absolute stud. shoulda come out last year. He got injured and had terrible quarterbacks throwing him the ball. And Kifin......yuck.


    Lee was a true sophomore in 2012.. he had to return in 2013 to be eligible for the draft, same as Clowney.


    doh. should've known that
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