If Marqise Lee fell to 32

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If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:47 pm
  • Do you draft him even though he's 6 feet tall?

    I would LOVE to have a guy like Lee .. of course being a USC homer might cloud my judgment ;) Supposedly this guy is falling down draft boards now (Rang's latest mock has us taking Lee), some have him even dipping into the second round.

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:00 pm
  • One of my "Draft Predictions" is that Marqise Lee falls out of the 1st round. The drops/lack of hands catching is a concern.

    That said, at 32 I'd be very intrigued.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:02 pm
  • I asked this type of question a few months back and got the following in response.

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    Hasselbeck wrote:The only way Lee falls to 32 is if he is hit by a bus outside of Lucas Oil Field before the combine
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:11 pm
  • If he does, you snatch him up and laugh at everyone.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:27 pm
  • If he's there at 32, he's most likely the best player sitting there.

    He's just so good and IMO will be an awesome pro. YES YOU TAKE HIM!
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:36 pm
  • If he makes it to #32 you samba up to the podium.

    He's a top-15 pick and it'll be a stunning upset if he gets past the Jets at #18.

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:22 pm
  • I guess it depends on who else is on the board, most likely you take him though. There has been whispers Lee could be dropping to late 1st, but with late 1st teams receiver needy like the Panthers and Niners ahead of the Hawks, I'd be surprised he's at #32.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:31 pm
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:If he's there at 32, he's most likely the best player sitting there.

    He's just so good and IMO will be an awesome pro. YES YOU TAKE HIM!

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:39 pm
  • For me, the thing is we don't need someone to contribute significantly this year. He could hide at the back of the roster and work his way into the games over time. If he can play this year, great, but we could treat him like we did Tate.

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:05 pm
  • we are obsessed with a big receiver. I don't get the feeling the front office is.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:10 pm
  • McGruff wrote:we are obsessed with a big receiver. I don't get the feeling the front office is.

    Well, we know they want one. They've been working on it for years. The operative question is how badly do they want one?

    Sure, he might be the BPA if he's there at 32, but he may not be what our FO wants to pick there.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:16 pm
  • ImTheScientist wrote:I asked this type of question a few months back and got the following in response.

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    Hasselbeck wrote:The only way Lee falls to 32 is if he is hit by a bus outside of Lucas Oil Field before the combine


    Apparently he wasn't paying attention when he crossed the street. :mrgreen:
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:17 pm
  • sutz wrote:
    McGruff wrote:we are obsessed with a big receiver. I don't get the feeling the front office is.

    Well, we know they want one. They've been working on it for years. The operative question is how badly do they want one?

    Sure, he might be the BPA if he's there at 32, but he may not be what our FO wants to pick there.


    It's nice to have that big guy, ESPECIALLY in red zone situations. With that said, we did re-sign Rice to a very cap friendly one year deal, and we can still develop Chris Matthews. Both are in the 6'4"-6'5" range, so we can draft BPA and if it happens to be a tall receiver, so be it.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 pm
  • "we" being obsessed with a big receiver doesn't include me... I'm obsessed with the best graded receiver on the board at #32, unless there's guys graded higher at other positions that Pete and John prefer in that spot.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:54 pm
  • He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:08 pm
  • General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    What makes you think some of the guys rated lower would be better WRs?
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:17 pm
  • Great kid, fierce competitor and not even close to reaching his ceiling; he's only been playing the WR position for 3-4 school years. Had USC not been under sanctions and short of bodies, he'd have sat until he got healthy and had ultimately more and better-quality playing time last year.

    Don't let his somewhat pedestrian 40 time fool you. Marqise isn't a straight-line burner, but he's quick as can be and can make explosive plays.

    I will never forget the Arizona game in 2012 when he set a conference (and nearly an NCAA) record for single-game receiving yards: 16 receptions for 345 yards and two touchdowns. He couldn't quite make a catch near the end of the game and then lay on the field for a moment after the game clock ran out, practically sobbing because he felt he let the team down. This after he was pretty much the entire offense for that game. You'd be hard-pressed to find a kid with more heart.

    He deserves to go much higher than 32, but if he falls and we get him, I'll dance a jig in my living room.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:20 pm
  • Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    What makes you think some of the guys rated lower would be better WRs?


    Well part of evaluating these players is trying project how they translate to the pro's. Based on there game film the competition they played against injury's and of course there measurable. There's WR's I like better based on that criteria .
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:07 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    What makes you think some of the guys rated lower would be better WRs?


    Well part of evaluating these players is trying project how they translate to the pro's. Based on there game film the competition they played against injury's and of course there measurable. There's WR's I like better based on that criteria .


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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:23 pm
  • McGruff wrote:we are obsessed with a big receiver. I don't get the feeling the front office is.


    Personally I think quite the opposite. At least the second sentence anyways.

    In the draft: Kris Durham, Chris Harper. Both big, raw, 4th round guys named with a variation of Chris.

    Guys we've brought in since BMW left: T.O., Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow jr (That role anyways), Antonio Bryant, Stephen Williams, Chris Matthews. There's just been a lot of attempts to get one through the "garbage heap" strategy and it hasn't really worked.

    Rumored on trades for: Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall.

    Sidney Rice is a bigger receiver, and obviously the guy we pulled the trigger on is a small WR in Percy, but I think its pretty clear how special Pete thinks he is.

    I just feel like if the FO has two closely rated receivers they are probably gonna have the bigger one a bit above.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:45 pm
  • If Lee is still available at #32 I'd imagine Carroll is looking something like this.

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    Lets not forget that Lee spent a lot of time returning kicks also.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:21 pm
  • General Manager wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    What makes you think some of the guys rated lower would be better WRs?


    Well part of evaluating these players is trying project how they translate to the pro's. Based on there game film the competition they played against injury's and of course there measurable. There's WR's I like better based on that criteria .

    Like who?
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:23 am
  • out of all those big receivers we've peaked at, how many have warranted major financial/draft capital? One. Rice. The rest have been middle or late round picks or old guys signed on a wing and a prayer.

    Meanwhile, they spent a 2nd round pick on an undersized player who they valued as a 1st rounder (Tate) and traded multiple high picks and a huge contract on another undersized speedster (Percy). And for every oversized late round/UDFA/canadian chump you can mention, i can also point to Arceto clark, Brian Walters, Doug Baldwin, etc.

    Size is not their thing. Would they like it? Sure. Are they going to draft based on it? Not a chance. Speed, explosion, and most importantly RAC ability seem to be much higher on their radar.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:29 am
  • even looking at their draft visits, sure they've had Latimer and Adams in, but they've also met with Cooks, Richardson, Huff and are runored to love Odell Beckham Jr. . . . all smaller WR's.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:38 am
  • Small or big, Pete is about playmakers. He would prefer the bigger WR, but playmaker is the first criteria. and Lee is that.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:44 am
  • If Lee is still there I have to believe we race to the podium. I would be thrilled with that. I could see him turning into another Keenan Allen, widely regarded as one of the best WR in the drfat last year, then he ran a bit slow and dropped to the 3rd, only to end up with over 1000 yds last year for SD.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:08 pm
  • His knee injury is, imo very concerning we have enough WR's already that have are having problems staying on the field .
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:46 pm
  • Hawkfan77 wrote:
    General Manager wrote:
    Throwdown wrote:
    General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    What makes you think some of the guys rated lower would be better WRs?


    Well part of evaluating these players is trying project how they translate to the pro's. Based on there game film the competition they played against injury's and of course there measurable. There's WR's I like better based on that criteria .

    Like who?


    I would be interested in hearing who GM has listed above him as well.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:04 pm
  • I'd be up for Lee I have him rated pretty high

    1. Sammy Watkins
    2. Mike Evans
    3. Marqis Lee
    4. Odel Beckham Jr
    5. Kelvin Benjamin
    6. Donte Moncrief
    7. Allen Robinson
    8. Jordan Matthews
    9. Cory Latimer
    10.Brandon Coleman
    11.Devin Street
    12.Davante Adams
    13.Martavis Bryant
    14.Brandon Cooks
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:05 pm
  • My concern is his knee and if he is the type of player that will be injured alot not his ability.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:28 pm
  • Wenhawk wrote:I'd be up for Lee I have him rated pretty high

    1. Sammy Watkins
    2. Mike Evans
    3. Marqis Lee
    4. Odel Beckham Jr
    5. Kelvin Benjamin
    6. Donte Moncrief
    7. Allen Robinson
    8. Jordan Matthews
    9. Cory Latimer
    10.Brandon Coleman
    11.Devin Street
    12.Davante Adams
    13.Martavis Bryant
    14.Brandon Cooks



    How you have Kelvin Benjamin 5th boggles my mind.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:54 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:
    Wenhawk wrote:I'd be up for Lee I have him rated pretty high

    1. Sammy Watkins
    2. Mike Evans
    3. Marqis Lee
    4. Odel Beckham Jr
    5. Kelvin Benjamin
    6. Donte Moncrief
    7. Allen Robinson
    8. Jordan Matthews
    9. Cory Latimer
    10.Brandon Coleman
    11.Devin Street
    12.Davante Adams
    13.Martavis Bryant
    14.Brandon Cooks



    How you have Kelvin Benjamin 5th boggles my mind.


    Benjamin would drop out of my top 100, like a ball Jameis Winston would throw to him.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:08 pm
  • For S&giggles my WR rankings would be..

    1 - S. Watkins
    2 - O. Beckham
    3 - M. Evans
    4 - M. Lee
    5 - A. Robinson
    6 - C. Latimer
    7 - D. Moncrief
    8 - B. Cooks
    9 - D. Adams
    10 - J. Matthews
    11- M. Bryant
    12 - P. Richardson
    13 - J. Abberderis
    14 - J. Landry
    15 - K. Benjamin
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:06 am
  • I'd feel good getting Lee at 32. That said, when I compare Lee to the other receivers in this class, I don't see the guaranteed first round pick that he's been hyped as.

    He plays quick, but he's not fast. He plays tough, but he's not strong. He makes some great catches, but he drops some easy passes. Granted I've probably not watched as many games as some here on the forums, but I turned off a few of his his games feeling "meh" when I was expecting to see something closer to the exciting level of play Watkins or Beckham (comparing the undersized receivers).

    Personally, I'd have to see what other players are on the board before I run up to the podium with my eyes closed.

    As a side note, I'm surprised the people whose main knock on Kelvin Benjamin for his 9% drop rate hasn't mentioned Marquis' 12% drop rate.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:07 am
  • General Manager wrote:My concern is his knee and if he is the type of player that will be injured alot not his ability.


    Still ignored a few of our questions.....can you give us a list of the players you have listed above Lee?
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:34 am
  • If Lee is available at 32 I hope we sprint to the podium to get our pick in.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:40 am
  • General Manager wrote:His knee injury is, imo very concerning we have enough WR's already that have are having problems staying on the field .

    His knee injury was a problem last year because USC had no depth due to sanctions and he wasn't able to stay off the field and properly heal during the season. At one point we were down to 1-2 scholarship receivers.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:52 pm
  • I'd

    all the way up to the podium.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:54 pm
  • General Manager wrote:He's rated higher than some of the other WR's but that doesn't mean he will be the better pro . There's WR's I like better at 32.


    I would agree with this. Sometimes guys get rated higher than they should be early in the process and it seems to elevate their stock in the public eye.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:55 pm
  • Watkins
    Evans
    OBJ
    Latimer
    Robinson
    Matthews
    Moncrief
    Lee
    Adams
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:15 pm
  • SacHawk2.0 wrote:How you have Kelvin Benjamin 5th boggles my mind.


    Yeah I'm just very intrigued by his size and his ceiling is top 15 in this draft. With the proper coaching, some speed training, a competitive atmosphere, and proper utilization I could see KB live up to his expectations, but if on the wrong team and force into a prominent role early I could see Mike Williams 2.0.

    I think a late 1st is totally worth a shot at potential Red Zone TD machine.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:23 pm
  • Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3h
    I’ve asked every evaluator I’ve talked with to rank the WRs. Different answer every time after the top 2. Fascinating to see it shake out


    I'll throw my top-15 out there.

    1. S. Watkins
    2. M. Evans
    3. O. Beckham
    4. B. Cooks
    5. K. Benjamin
    6. C. Latimer
    7. M. Lee
    8. A. Robinson
    9. J. Matthews
    10. M. Bryant
    11. D. Adams
    12. D. Moncrief
    13, P. Richardson
    14. J. Landry
    15. Devin Street
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:47 pm
  • 1. Watkins
    2. Beckham
    3. Evans
    4. Lee
    5. Adams
    6. Latimer
    7. Cooks
    8. Matthews
    9. Moncrief
    10. Robinson
    11. Richardson
    12. Bryant
    13. Street
    14. Landry
    15. Benjamin
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:51 pm
  • hawknation2014 wrote:1. Watkins
    2. Beckham
    3. Evans
    4. Lee
    5. Adams
    6. Latimer
    7. Cooks
    8. Matthews
    9. Moncrief
    10. Robinson
    11. Richardson
    12. Bryant
    13. Street
    14. Landry
    15. Benjamin



    This looks about right, actually.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 1:58 pm
  • If Marqise Lee fell to 32, I would fall off my chair. Not gonna happen but the lead-up to the draft is
    all about what iff'n and dreaming. Nothing wrong with that.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 3:25 pm
  • As much as I don't like the idea of Benjamin being a Hawk...I can see the front office loving his run blocking. I can also see them coaching him up to win the red line and becoming more of a hands catcher.

    Hell...he'd have to be considering how Russell puts balls where only receivers can get them. He'd force Benjamin to stretch out for a grab.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 3:30 pm
  • I'd trade up for Lee, even.

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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 3:51 pm
  • I'd also trade up for Lee. I'll say it again -- a truly fantastic competitor, an unbelievable talent. USC was absolutely car crash last year. And anyone worrying about his toughness or ability to battle through injuries needs to go and watch the game he won for the Trojans against Stanford last season.

    To have him ranked below Jordan Matthews is truly unbelievable. That's barmy.

    For me these are your R1 receivers and in this order:

    Watkins
    Evans
    Beckham Jr
    Lee
    Cooks
    Benjamin
    Latimer
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 4:19 pm
  • If Lee's still there at 32 I'd pass, there's obviously a reason for it and they have more information than we do.
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Re: If Marqise Lee fell to 32
Thu May 01, 2014 6:30 pm
  • General Manager wrote:If Lee's still there at 32 I'd pass, there's obviously a reason for it and they have more information than we do.


    That really doesn't make sense. Especially when you consider all the players taken in he late rounds on the hawks that had success.
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