Before combine: "He's a 2nd/3rd pick"
After combine: "OMG those test numbers! A 5th round pick!"
After ProDay: "OMG those test numbers! A 1st/2nd round pick!"
GM's do not use the combine and Pro Day as their main source of evaluation and they certainly wouldn't drop or raise the stock of a prospect +/- four rounds because of it, either.
Sherminator wrote:Not sure what the 49 logo has anything to do with this, but whatever.
You're right. My bad, I can't help it. It's second nature to throw a jab at 49er fans.
Actually GM's do use the combine AND pro-day as a HUGE source of evaluation.
"Huge" =/= "Main", but I'll bite. No, they don't use the test measurables as a "HUGE" source of evaluation. (it goes without saying medical and interviews ARE very important).
The test measurable are only a small small part of the draft process to Scouts and GMs because they will already have a very good idea of what the the players at the combine bring to the table. To fans and media, a prospects grade will change up or down because they are way
behind the scouting community in their grades. To Scouts and GM's, their draft grade will vary little. Read this article by The Boston Globe,Pro Day workouts mean little to NFL teams
"The Pro Day is only a tiny piece of the overall scouting equation." “At the end of the day, the tape and the fall grades are the most important grades
,” - NFL executive
"“It may be indicative of a bigger problem, or it may have just been a bad day,” said Riddick. “You never want to ever go 180 from your original evaluation based off of a Pro Day, ever. It should never make you flip-flop or change your opinion. But it will make you go back and reevaluate and watch more film and make sure you’re not missing something.” - Louis Riddick, ex-scout
There have been pro-days and combines where a player has taken their draft stock WAY down. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen about 5 players in this years draft get bumped down 3-4 rounds because of a bad pro-day/combine.
And you know this how, exactly? Either share the name of active general managers or scouts you know that dropped a prospects draft stock because of a bad pro-day/combine or lets stick to facts. Those draft grades you read on CBS and ESPN aren't based on reality."It isn't crazy to think some scouts are ahead of journalists when it comes to player analysis."
- Mike Hagen, ex-scout
Besides, those rankings I posted are from my personal draft rankings, not anybody elses. I didn't say I was speaking on behalf of a GM, I claimed thats where I have him going.
If you want to argue with me about my opinions on something I created, you already lost.
You wrote that after the combine, you were "confident teams would take 15" receivers over Allen Robinson based on his combine, but now after his Pro-Day he's back in first round discussion?
I'm not arguing your list. You can flip-flop your draft grades all you want. I'm arguing that the combine and pro-day numbers don't affect a players draft stock to GMs and scouts as much as you seem to think.