Hawks looking at Brandin Cooks to replace Tate

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  • I think that's a logical route with Tate walking to fill a WR/PR role, still freeing you up to draft a second, bigger WR if they don't sign one of the remaining WR free agents using guaranteed money... if they truly consider receiver height of big importance, which Doug Baldwin strongly disputed on twitter. The other route is choosing a taller receiver in round 1-2 and going for a smaller return specialist in later rounds. It's probably more speculating on the writer's part than any concrete inside info
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  • Cooks or Beckham Jr. would be amazing replacements for Tate.
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  • There's over a page on him a couple of threads down viewtopic.php?f=18&t=91006

    Not for me. If we truly valued Tate's role I doubt we would have let him go so I don't see us looking to replace him early. Let's get a bigger, deeper threat.
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  • I wouldn't mind Cooks but prefer someone taller.
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  • Too short, would rather have Matthews.
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  • jake206 wrote:Too short, would rather have Matthews.

    You prefer WRs that can't get separation? Crazy.
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  • Brandon Cooks is going to get smashed by DBs, bigger than him. Its the NFL, not college football. In this offense, he is going to have to block.

    From NFL combine-
    Weakness:

    Size is just adequate -- is small-framed and lacks ideal length and bulk. Vulnerable to the jam and reroute. Relatively small catch radius. Has small hands and double-catches some throws. Lacks elite, blazing speed to run by NFL corners and safeties. Will struggle to play "above the rim" at the next level. Was not an impactful punt returner. Limited run strength. Poor blocker.
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  • remember that's Nolan Nawrocki providing the nfl.com analysis, he's a flamethrower regarding just about everyone
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  • -From CBSsports

    WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal size with below average height and length for the position. Limited strength, muscle and overall growth potential. Struggles with physical defenders and doesn't have ideal body strength - will be overwhelmed in man coverage. Looks to avoid contact and would much rather escape out of bounds or go around defenses. Needs to secure the ball through the process to eliminate drops and fumbles. Smallish target for quarterbacks.
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  • Cooks has Desean Jackson-like measurables and production, but he's actually a decent young man. I would be excited about this pick.

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  • The play at 1:23 is one of the craziest things I've ever seen...
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  • DeSean Jackson's height/weight: 5'10, 169 lbs
    Cooks' height/weight: 5'10, 189 lbs

    Jackson's combine 40 time: 4.35
    Cooks' combine 40 time: 4.33

    Jackson's Pro Day short shuttle: 4.19
    Cooks' combine short shuttle: 3.81

    Jackson's Pro Day 3-cone: 6.82
    Cooks' combine 3-cone: 6.76

    Jackson's Pro Day vertical: 34½ in
    Cooks' combine vertical: 36 in
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  • I'm not a fan of Cooks, but my opinion aside, he's a very different player than Tate. That said, if we do draft him he will play in the slot and would likely return punts. We might use him on end around type plays and screens. His usage would be very similar, even though his traits are different.

    As far as this article goes, keep in mind two things:

    #1: PC/JS kick the tires on everything. There are dozens of WRs they would track so it's only natural that Cook would be one of them. It's not exactly a long trip from Seattle to Corvallis either.

    #2: Because Cooks is a "local" college player at Oregon State, he will not count against Seattle's 50 prospect visit count this spring. I would expect Cooks to get a trip up to the VMAC in the next month, but I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it.
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  • Among your top 20leading receivers in receptions this past season

    5'10 186 Antonio Brown
    5'10 198 Julian Edelman
    5'10 191 Kendall Wright
    5'10 175 Desean Jackson

    Sure, it'd be great to have 6'3 230 Andre Johnson, or 6'4 230 Brandon Marshall, or 6'3 225 Josh Gordon, but lets not pretend thet Brandin Cooks at 5'10 190 is too small to succeed. The four guys listed above prove that to be incorrect.
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  • We have tons of short receivers in our WRs, but not very many tall receivers. Need a tall WR, this is the draft to do it in.
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  • kearly wrote:I'm not a fan of Cooks, but my opinion aside, he's a very different player than Tate. That said, if we do draft him he will play in the slot and would likely return punts. We might use him on end around type plays and screens. His usage would be very similar, even though his traits are different.

    As far as this article goes, keep in mind two things:

    #1: PC/JS kick the tires on everything. There are dozens of WRs they would track so it's only natural that Cook would be one of them. It's not exactly a long trip from Seattle to Corvallis either.

    #2: Because Cooks is a "local" college player at Oregon State, he will not count against Seattle's 50 prospect visit count this spring. I would expect Cooks to get a trip up to the VMAC in the next month, but I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it.

    What i heard was our WR coach was there to see Cooks, not Pete or John.
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  • Brandin Cooks is a terrific player and had the Seahawks not got Harvin last year, then yeah Cooks makes sense. With Harvin on the team, Cooks doesn't make sense especially when other areas of need are there.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:What i heard was our WR coach was there to see Cooks, not Pete or John.


    Yup, I knew that. Or are you highlighting that because you think it holds extra significance? I just assumed it was a deputize kind of thing to send a WR coach.
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  • drrew wrote:Among your top 20leading receivers in receptions this past season

    5'10 186 Antonio Brown
    5'10 198 Julian Edelman
    5'10 191 Kendall Wright
    5'10 175 Desean Jackson

    Sure, it'd be great to have 6'3 230 Andre Johnson, or 6'4 230 Brandon Marshall, or 6'3 225 Josh Gordon, but lets not pretend thet Brandin Cooks at 5'10 190 is too small to succeed. The four guys listed above prove that to be incorrect.


    I love DeSean Jackson. I am honestly surprised he only weighs 175. He does not look small, and he has some strength on contested throws.
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  • kearly wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:What i heard was our WR coach was there to see Cooks, not Pete or John.


    Yup, I knew that. Or are you highlighting that because you think it holds extra significance? I just assumed it was a deputize kind of thing to send a WR coach.

    I am probably mistaken, but I just assume that if the thought it was a first round thing they would send more than a position coach.
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  • Scottemojo wrote:
    kearly wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:What i heard was our WR coach was there to see Cooks, not Pete or John.


    Yup, I knew that. Or are you highlighting that because you think it holds extra significance? I just assumed it was a deputize kind of thing to send a WR coach.

    I am probably mistaken, but I just assume that if the thought it was a first round thing they would send more than a position coach.


    I think you might be on to something.
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  • Rather have OBJ or trade for Desean Jackson.
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  • ImTheScientist wrote:
    jake206 wrote:Too short, would rather have Matthews.

    You prefer WRs that can't get separation? Crazy.


    If he can do that, while being covered as well as is claimed, then you bet I want him. He must have the best ball fighting skills of any collegiate player in history.

    The truth is, he does get open. And he extends well, and fights for receptions very well. He is tough and takes hits. Doesn't exhibit alligator arms. Goes and gets the ball. And can run away from defenders in space.

    It's a pretty gross exaggeration that he can't get separation. It's certainly not his strength -- like say a Jared Abbrederis. But he has other qualities that compensate for that.

    As far as tools go, he has plenty. Speed, size, determination and a strong ability to develop. Attitude wise, he's pretty outstanding. I don't think it's exactly a surprise that Seattle has shown interest in him. I'd be shocked if he didn't interview well. It doesn't mean he's necessarily our guy we can't leave the draft without -- but I do think he's on our board and probably a lot higher than the separation critics might expect.

    With Tate's departure, I would expect our profile for which WR we take early will now include guys that aren't simply big receivers. That opens up a lot of options. The pool is muddied now and it's less clear who will be on our board. I don't expect Cooks to be on it -- since he'd be duplicating roles that we have filled with Baldwin and Harvin. He's not really an outside receiver and Seattle has lost two of them. We seem set at the slot.
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  • Lords of Scythia wrote:http://fansided.com/2014/03/15/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-seattle-seahawks-taking-look-brandin-cooks-replace-golden-tate/

    Is this guy any good?

    At a 4.33 in the 40, he's fast as hell, but, what about his other attributes?, does he have good hands?, durability?, has he been used to return kicks?
    I think if Cooks is on Schneider's radar, he will already know the answers on this kid, + a whole lot more about his mindset.
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  • I am kicking the tires on Donte Moncrief being my Seattle shocks the world and all the media/fan arm chair GM's by picking a lower media ranked player in the first round. The Bruce Irvin factor sir............... 6'2" 220lbs freak athlete hard worker great blocker. Like I said I am kicking the tires on the idea.................. oh and I like B Cooks also stud and if PC and JS draft him I'm all in.
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  • I think its a smoke screen, Seattle has alot of shifty players and I think the Big guy is what Seattle is looking for in a WR in the first round unless its OBJ. Jermaine Kearse is the WR who replaces Tate in my opinion except on special teams.
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  • jake206 wrote:Brandon Cooks is going to get smashed by DBs, bigger than him. Its the NFL, not college football. In this offense, he is going to have to block.

    From NFL combine-
    Weakness:

    Size is just adequate -- is small-framed and lacks ideal length and bulk. Vulnerable to the jam and reroute. Relatively small catch radius. Has small hands and double-catches some throws. Lacks elite, blazing speed to run by NFL corners and safeties. Will struggle to play "above the rim" at the next level. Was not an impactful punt returner. Limited run strength. Poor blocker.


    Whoever wrote that is on some good drugs. The one thing this guy does have is elite speed and quickness.
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  • Cooks is a rare player that produces great numbers in college, THEN performs very well at the combine. Lots of guys are either one or the other.

    I'm pretty confident that Cooks is going to be a stud in this league. Great hands, great speed, A prototypical slot receiver. If he goes into the right system (NE, GB, Den, Etc.) he could put up some big numbers immediately.
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  • Looking at the highights it doesnt look like Cook is a fraction the talent OBJ and Jarvis Landry are. I hope the hawks end up with Landry.
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  • Not crazy about Cooks in Seattle but I can see why teams will value him. Nice movable piece you get into different positions and be creative with (well, unless your OC is Brian Schottenheimer).

    Oregon put three guys on him all game which was kind of weird. Not sure I've seen blanket triple coverage before.
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  • He is a Tate clone from his highlight reel. Probably contribute faster than Tate. I think if we go WR we go big.
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  • It's not who we look at at this time of year, it's who we don't that we did months ago.
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  • chris98251 wrote:It's not who we look at at this time of year, it's who we don't that we did months ago.


    That's not always the case...

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    Russell Okung was also a guy they had a PreDraft visit with (went bowling), so it's not just late-rd guy's either.
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  • Been watching a bit of film on Cooks lately, going in with nothing but his reputation in mind. First watched the pro day and combine, and he looked great. Fast, good in and out of breaks, and attacked the ball. Then I threw on the film and pretty much agreed with Kearly. Looks small, plays small, didn't set-up db's very well, and speed didn't translate as much as I thought it would. Golden Tate was a much better college player who played like he was 6'3" and was devastating after the catch. Of all the potential wr's being bandied about for the Hawks early, Cooks is who I would least want.
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  • Typically hawks MO has been to bring prospects their really interested in to VMAC for a looksy. I'm resign to the fact that Hawks will be pick this guy. He's good, but not as great as everyone thinks he is. Explosive, but poor against the press.
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  • I think they want to see what a potential future division rival is capable of.
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  • I love Brandin Cooks, but would bring nothing unique compared to what we already have (Harvin). I see value pick later in the draft. The only WR I want in the first is Evans, so likely rooting for OL, DL and/or the infamous "what?!?" pick.
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