titan3131":1k1szuts said:
Kearly could you enlighten me on the concerns about bryant?
Because I love what I see from him.
I like Bryant, and would be excited if we get him. That said, I've heard a lot of concerns over his "want to." He also has one of the highest drop rates among draftable WRs: 12.5% last season.
Hawkalypse":1k1szuts said:
He would be a big reach. At least Irvin and Carpenter were in the conversation the conversation to be a 2 or 3rd round pick. This guy should be a mid rounder due to his physical prowess and, I would hope they wouldn't reach for him in the 1st. I like the kid a lot but I feel he can be had later. The guy I feel will take a jump will be the linebacker out of BC, Pierre.
Irvin was considered a day 3 guy before his combine. The talk about Janis being a round 5-7 player is all media talk anyway. FWIW I am not a Janis fan, but I also have not been a fan of many of the WRs Seattle brought in.
The Konz comp doesn't really work because Konz basically didn't even play football even in college. In five years he had 49 total tackles on defense, and 23 total catches on offense. By comparison Janis had 3000+ yards and 31 receiving TDs over his career and is a Division II All-American at WR. Last season he ranked #1 in yards, #1 in receptions, #2 in TDs and was 8th in yards per catch. Konz is a great athlete and nothing more, Janis is a highly productive small school WR who just happens to also be an insane athlete. I think 3rd round is likely his floor at this point, and he'd go higher in a weaker WR class. He's far more impressive than Kris Durham as a prospect, who went 4th round a few years ago.
Mtjhoyas":1k1szuts said:
Man...watching Janis in the Senior Bowl was tough. Some of the worst hands I've seen. I'm all for gambling on upside but there's just not enough there IMO to make a pick like that. Just a very unnatural football player despite being an insane athlete. I get the gist of this post but I think this Would be a completely disastrous pick. Jameson Konz 2.0 in my eyes.
Last year I made little secret about how I thought Chris Harper was a terrible WR; he dropped a ton of passes at KSU and quit on plays. Kris Durham was sushi raw. Jermaine Kearse was a drop machine. Golden Tate had some pretty big issues. Ricardo Lockette, Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, Stephen Williams... our FO is attracted to WRs with great tools and ugly play. For better or worse.
I'm always biased towards polished college WRs so Janis would not be my pick either, I just think he fits their profile, and lately they seem to make "wtf" kind of picks in the first round. They also have gone on the record as saying that they grade on athleticism first, everything else second. Janis was the #1 athlete at the combine this year among WRs, which is saying a lot given how big and athletic this WR class is.
I like Martavis Bryant, but he hasn't done anything in games yet. If Martavis Bryant was even more freakish of an athlete and put up video game numbers in Division II, would we be calling him a 5th rounder? No way. I think Bryant probably ends up in the first round, anything lower than mid-2nd for him would surprise me. I think Janis probably goes in rounds 2-3, unless a team like Seattle shocks the world. You see this every single year where a bunch of late round guys bump their stock into the first three rounds with a killer combine. Nothing shocking about it here if it happens for Janis.
The end of the fourth round is probably where I would take that gamble, but I can definitely see Seattle loving the kind of player he could become under ideal circumstances and rating him much higher than I would. Jordy Nelson was a bit of a klutz in his early days but now he's one of the league's best and most dynamic red line WRs. JS was the highest ranking assistant executive in Green Bay at the time they drafted Nelson. In the 2nd round. (Additionally, Janis has said that he's modeled his game after Jordy Nelson.)
If the pick was mine to make I'd try like hell to get that 3rd round pick back in a trade down. Gonna be some studs in the 3rd round this year. Not sure who I would draft with our first pick but I will say that among the realistic options Troy Niklas, ASJ, and David Yankey intrigue me the most. I think we might be able to get Yankey at #64 though after his Moffitt-esque combine performance. I would be fine with waiting until the 3rd round for a WR, but we need to add a 3rd round pick first.
Kareem Martin is a fantastic athlete
Yup. I think the Bengals draft him. Very similar prospect to Michael Johnson, who they will likely lose in FA. As far Seattle, I don't think so. Too slow to play LEO, and too small to be Red Bryant. I also think he's kind of a combine hero, awesome combine performance but on tape he has to learn so much in both run defense and pass rush.
