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1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:22 am
  • I would love it if Seattle looks at one of the four guys at the end of the first round:

    Jace Amaro (TE/WR) Texas Tech 6'5" 260 lbs 106 rec, 1352 yds, 7 TDs

    He was listed as a TE but he really is more of a hybrid wide receiver. He does a good job of using his size in traffic and is physical after the catch. In watching him he needs to refine his blocking quite a bit. Most consider him the 2nd best TE on the board so he may not last to pick 32.

    Jordan Matthews (WR) Vanderbilt 6'3" 206 lbs 112 rec, 1477 yds, 7 TDs

    Very impressed in the limited times I've seen him so far. Good combination of size and speed (listed as running a 4.5 which isn't bad for a guy that tall). Little bit of a slight frame, but can probably add 8-10 pounds onto that frame without losing speed or quickness.

    Allen Robinson (WR) Penn State 6'3" 210 lbs 97 rec, 1432 yds, 6 TDs

    Didn't watch him play much but I like what I've read about him. Maybe somebody else can give a little scouting report. But you can't ignore 174 catches for 2470 yards and 18 touchdowns over the last two seasons.

    Kelvin Benjamin (WR) Florida State 6'5" 234 lbs 50 rec, 954 yds, 14 TDs

    Easily the most physical of the four on this list. Very difficult to bring down (reference 19.1 yds/catch). He is also the most raw in my opinion. However he also may have the most upside of any receiver in this draft (not my words). Seen him going anywhere from a top 10 selection to middle of the second round.

    I really think a bigger target that is a real quality pass catcher is what this offense need to go to the next level. I realize that we also need to address the offensive line (maybe even more than getting another pass catcher) but all of these guys will be gone by the 64th pick for sure and we can probably still get an OG or RT at that spot.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:49 am
  • I have studied Robinson a bit. He moves very well for his size, unlike some big WRs. I didn't see him challenged vs press coverage so I can't speak to that, but he has the tools to get off the LOS well if he can be coached. Good separation on short routes, hard to get a feel for deep ones with the TV angle but he did run past a couple guys deep. Catches the ball away from his body well, but lets passes into his pads. I think I saw about 3 doips in 35+ targets. Decent effort as a blocker, can make some moves after the catch.

    I don't see anything truly special, but he is a good athlete with a good build that can play football. Reminds me of Robert Meachem or Terrance Williams (though the PS offense is not at all like the Baylor offense, I think they could mimic each other's roles easily if they had switched schools).
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:59 am
  • Benjamin and Matthews are the guys I'd want, Robinson a tier below 'em
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:09 am
  • I would add Brandon Coleman and Davante Adams to that list.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:07 am
  • getnasty wrote:I would add Brandon Coleman and Davante Adams to that list.


    Yeah, that list is just exhaustive at this point:

    Coleman
    Adams
    Robinson
    Matthews
    Beckham Jr.
    Parker
    Cooks
    Benjamin
    Landry
    Moncrief


    Then there is a pretty big third tier too:

    Abbrederis
    Richardson
    Davis
    Street
    Hoffman
    Gallon
    Greene


    I will reserve opinion until the combine. It is pretty clear to me, that after Evans, Watkins and Lee -- there are around 8 to 9 prospects that are good but really don't separate from each other. All either very productive or have been in the past. The combine will serve to either separate them or cement their lack of distinction from one another.

    If one doesn't lift themselves from the pig pile, I would have serious doubts we go WR in round 1 at all. The WRs available in the 25 to 75 range are all now indistinguishable from one another. A huge 'pocket of talent'. We may all have our pet favorites but we should all concede that there is little consensus on any of these guys.

    Really seems like a situation where Seattle could trade back, maybe even more than once, and still come away with a guy they think they can develop. Because as it stands pre combine, it's the post draft development that is going to make the difference in this group.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:29 am
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:04 pm
  • Benjamin is one of the most frustrating players you'll ever watch. Capable of so much, yet never seems to get out of second gear. And some of his drops -- wow. Too many 'WTF' moments with him.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:26 pm
  • I'd have no interest in Allen Robinson until R3 (I know we don't have a pick there). He doesn't play very big and he isn't all that fast.

    I don't mind gambling on upside, but there are things you can't teach WRs. 2 of the biggies IMO are hands and high pointing (involves hands). I think these are just innate abilities that one doesn't learn, but rather has a natural instinct for.

    I'd personally add Beckham and Landry to that list because they offer very good speed and play much bigger than 6'. Both are very natural at pretty much everything and dominate the red line. Landry, especially has really rare ability to high point the ball. Lastly, I think both guys run mid 4.4s and certainly play that fast.

    Last name who really intrigues me, Donte Moncrief. I think he is going to blow up the combine and has some of the best potential in this class. He's a big body who is very fluid and can flat out run. Not sure I'd draft him in R1, but I'd certainly entertain a drop down into R2. I think out of the second tier/non-1st round guys, his potential is the highest. Last key point on Moncrief, I believe he is only 20 years old. IMO, that means he still has some physical upside as well as no panic to force him in a role he can't handle because he's not a 23-24 year old in his rookie year.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:14 pm
  • Where does Sammy Watkins fall on your guys lists?
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Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:22 pm
  • 425HawkSpark wrote:Where does Sammy Watkins fall on your guys lists?

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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:59 pm
  • I haven't scouted Amaro, but out of the other three, I like Robinson the best, though Matthews is a close second. I like that that he produced in an NFL offense despite playing with a freshman QB and against defenses that played to stop him. He can make plays anywhere over the field and has the size to go over the middle (which we sorely lack). An intelligent player on the field who can make big things happen outside of the system or play design, he runs great routes for his size, has shown he can snatch the ball with his hands despite his tendency to body catching too much (similar to Golden Tate), and the thing I like the most is his YAC ability which reminds me of Harvin. Not so much his speed, cause he's not an especially fast player, but because when he makes his catch he's has that immediate catch-and-go that surprises defenses and goes well with his size. Lastly, he's only 20 years old. Lots of years left in him.

    Kelvin Benjamin worries me. He has amazing size, but it appears to me he lacks football instincts and runs poor routes at times. With less than perfectly thrown balls he fails to adjust and attack the ball, instead waiting for the ball to come to him. If it wasn't for college-level competition there would be be a few more interceptions as a result. Because of his great length, he's a great deep threat, but I'd rather we drafted a more complete football player who can make plays in a variety of other ways.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:46 pm
  • 425HawkSpark wrote:Where does Sammy Watkins fall on your guys lists?


    The "I wish" part.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:13 pm
  • Hey all. Been a lurker since you drafted RW and really grew to love the current Hawks team as well as all you guys. Best fanbase in sports. Anyway, one guy to keep a lookout for is Quincy Enunwa from Nebraska. Born and raised a Husker fan so I've seen plenty of Quincy, and he's a freak. 6'2" 225, and he'll test very well at the combine. Could be a mid to late round steal. Think Chris Harper, only more athletic, better hands, and even nastier. Stats aren't great (51 rec 753 yds 12 td) but we haven't really had much for a throwing qb. He's raw, but given time he could be that big bodied force on the outside.


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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:45 am
  • Well, after posting earlier my thoughts on a Kelvin Benjamin, I decided to go back and rewatch the tape available for him and some other receivers in the draft. After some consideration, I'm gonna flip-flop on the guy. He is just such a freak athlete. There's no denying KB's big play threat ability and combination of size and athleticism. Whatever concerns I still have, I'd be an idiot to allow his negatives to blind me from his positives.

    In Carroll's play-action ran offense, playing off of Harvin's skill set, I could see Pete utilizing his size and deep speed the same way Mike Williams was successful doing at USC. Something we've yet to really see on this Seattle team.

    So sign me up for the bandwagon. I'm still rooting Allen Robinson, as I love what I'm reading on AR's work ethic and competitive nature to go along with his play on the field, but add another name to the growing list of receivers I'd be happy to see the Hawks draft in the first round.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:10 am
  • KB is going to get beat up in the NFL. That big lanky body is going to get blown apart.

    He needs to put on a lot of weight.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:29 am
  • SonicHawk wrote:KB is going to get beat up in the NFL. That big lanky body is going to get blown apart.

    He needs to put on a lot of weight.



    He's 235 I believe. Also, have you seen AJ Green?
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:06 am
  • SonicHawk wrote:KB is going to get beat up in the NFL. That big lanky body is going to get blown apart.

    He needs to put on a lot of weight.

    You may be thinking of Brandon Coleman. A lack of size is not a problem with KB. Actually the opposite. He has to work to keep his weight down from what I've read.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:00 pm
  • No way he's 235. Lankiest 235 I've ever seen. He might get fat, but he's no AJ Green nor does he have the speed of Green.

    And he's going to have AJ Green's problem, you can't put Green across the middle (not that you have to) and he doesn't have the speed to run away on the sidelines nor the route running ability.

    Bust prospect in my mind.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:58 pm
  • Benjamin is at least 235 and he's not lanky in the slightest.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:04 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Benjamin is one of the most frustrating players you'll ever watch. Capable of so much, yet never seems to get out of second gear. And some of his drops -- wow. Too many 'WTF' moments with him.


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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:40 pm
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    theENGLISHseahawk wrote:Benjamin is one of the most frustrating players you'll ever watch. Capable of so much, yet never seems to get out of second gear. And some of his drops -- wow. Too many 'WTF' moments with him.


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    After this game tonight, I don't think I'd be happy if the Hawks drafted him.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:22 pm
  • He definitely made up for it with that GW catch.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:49 pm
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    Benjamin high pointed some big time throws late in that game, including the game winner, that were impossible to defend for about every corner in football. Having a red zone target like with his upside that has a lot of value. He'll likely be gone before Hawks pick though
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:56 pm
  • SonicHawk wrote:No way he's 235. Lankiest 235 I've ever seen. He might get fat, but he's no AJ Green nor does he have the speed of Green.

    And he's going to have AJ Green's problem, you can't put Green across the middle (not that you have to) and he doesn't have the speed to run away on the sidelines nor the route running ability.

    Bust prospect in my mind.



    Is he the only WR over 6-2 that you have watched?

    Take two separate pictures of a guys who are 235 lbs, one is 5ft 10inches and 235 lbs. (Ohio St RB Carlos Hyde) & the other is 6-5 235 lbs. (Florida St WR Kelvin Benjamin) and of course KB is going to look like a skinnier guy.

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    Try this...Plug up your bathroom sink & plug up your bathtub. Take a gallon of water and pour it into the bathroom sink, then take a gallon of water and pour it into the bathtub.

    Conclusion: the bathroom sink is more filled out with water than the bathtub. Reason being the bathtub is bigger and needs more water to fill out.

    AJ Green 6-4 205 lbs. Compare this pic and the one below it and you can clearly see KB's frame is more filled out than Green's frame. Green has skinny thighs & skinny arms.
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    KB 6-5 235 lbs. is 1 inch tall than green, yet he still has bigger arms & bigger thighs.
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    Also, no one is comparing KB to AJ Green as a prospect. The argument was compare Green's body type to KB. KB has the upside to be more like Megatron or Vincent Jackson.

    I will give you that KB has a bit of an different body type with the longer legs and shorter upper torso, which may make him look skinny to you. If he declares for the draft, I think he will drop down to around 225 lbs. in order to run a faster 40-yard time.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:34 am
  • So many WR's this year, I hope they draft two and a TE.

    Probably need a LB at some point to to keep cost down.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:42 pm
  • I'm convinced now more than ever that Seattle needs a big redzone/3rd down target for their offense to ever get above "average" status.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:40 pm
  • SeatownJay wrote:I'm convinced now more than ever that Seattle needs a big redzone/3rd down target for their offense to ever get above "average" status.


    Okay, here you go.

    Fresno St WR Davante Adams (6-2 216 lbs.)
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    Florida St WR Kelvin Benjamin (6-5 235 lbs.)
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:02 pm
  • Allen Robinson Penn State 6'3" 215 4.5/40

    2013 97 receptions 1432 yards 14.8 avg 65 long 6 TDs
    2012 77 receptions 1018 yards 13.2 avg 53 long 11 TDs

    This guy can catch the slant, highpoint the football, and competes like a Hawk. I'd rather have this guy than Benjamin, Adams, Matthews, or Coleman.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:42 am
  • I'm in the Allen Robinson and Davante Adams camp, 2 receivers who will work hard and produce.

    KB has great potential but I get the impression that there is a lack of maturity there. It's like things have always come easy to him and he played hard in the BCS game to get his draft stock up. No evidence, just a general impression. I think once he gets drafted, he will have average effort, worry about getting hurt and only show up once in awhile when it suits him.

    I want a 6'4" plus big guy to help with our red zone problems. That or a slightly smaller guy who is big enough to out-muscle DBs.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:07 am
  • The 1st half red zone possession in which the Hawks could not score and Percy got knocked out demonstrated beyond any argument that the Seahawks need a tall, jump ball WR in my opinion. This is the draft to get one.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:36 pm
  • Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:53 pm
  • bbsplitter wrote:Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.


    I'm curious why? Please don't tell me it's because you want an O-lineman first round.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:00 pm
  • I think we need to consider what Seattle really needs here.

    I like Allen Robinson at Penn State. But he's at his best when you put the ball in his hands and let him run at defenders. He's tall -- 6-3 -- but he's around 205-210lbs and looks relatively skinny. For me he's a YAC specialist. And while he will make plays downfield, it's not his absolute greatest strength.

    The Seahawks have guys like that, and I fully expect them to find a way to re-sign Tate. Harvin isn't going anywhere before 2014 and will get a chance to bounce back.

    What the team needs is a big target -- 6-5/6-6 -- enormous frame. Someone who can box out defenders, compete physically in the air, provide a safety net and be a possession receiver with benefits (aka speed).

    This draft has three players who fit that bill. Mike Evans, who should be a top-15 pick and out of reach. He would be ideal, the absolute dream of a pick for this team. Kelvin Benjamin is not my favourite, but he has a ton of potential and maybe playing for an uber competitive team like Seattle will get a spark going there for him to work harder (and if that happens, watch out). And Brandon Coleman is the other one -- technique wise not the finished product but I've not seen a 6-6, 220lbs monster do what he can do before. He could be another Josh Gordon and his potential is ridiculous.

    A report via Dan Pompei last week had both Benjamin and Coleman listed as late first rounders via an anonymous NFL GM or scout (can't remember which).

    They are the three players, right now, I want to see this team targeting -- and I don't even like Benjamin that much. But I'd accept the pick because that's the need.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:16 pm
  • MontanaHawk05 wrote:
    bbsplitter wrote:Personally I would pass on all 1st round talent (unless an unexpected low round drop of course), to look for Martavis Bryant, Devin Street, or Cody Hoffman in the later rounds.


    I'm curious why? Please don't tell me it's because you want an O-lineman first round.


    It is actually, I'm looking at how important a big WR is in taking into consideration what they will be asked to do. Block 70% of the time, try and create a big play 30% of the time. Considering O-Line men are involved in 100% of both processes... I would rather add talent to the o-line. Which after the plausible cuts for budget reasons, we will have a shallow talent pool at O-line. (most likely)
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:19 pm
  • And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:50 pm
  • bbsplitter wrote:And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.


    Two first round picks (including two in their first two drafts), extended the contract of a previous second round pick, spent big money on a guard that is no longer with the team, signed one of the most expensive offensive line coaches in the NFL.

    Seattle have put a lot of importance on the offensive line, and when Okung and Breno have been healthy, the line has done it's job.

    Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

    Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:01 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    bbsplitter wrote:And secondly, we have supposedly found our "franchise QB" and I would love it if the front office started placing more importance on protecting him.


    Two first round picks (including two in their first two drafts), extended the contract of a previous second round pick, spent big money on a guard that is no longer with the team, signed one of the most expensive offensive line coaches in the NFL.

    Seattle have put a lot of importance on the offensive line, and when Okung and Breno have been healthy, the line has done it's job.

    Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

    Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.


    Sooo.... Naturally that means that there will be more quality depth of WR's in the later rounds... right? And not so many Guards worth a crap later on? No, at first it didn't effect Wilsons development, now he is conveniently having a cold streak right after a long stretch of O line injuries and bad play. He is Mr. happy feet back there and a big factor is a crap line.

    Soooo.... We have put all this importance on the line in the past and if that's the case then...we just randomly stop doing that this year? You say they gave a guard "big money", well, take his contract and compare it to other "big money" guards on other teams. It's not really, and that's the point.
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:19 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:
    Wilson's development will not be highly impacted by a first round guard. It could easily be impacted with a top notch big receiver who can be a third down and red zone demon.

    Besides, we're talking about what looks like it could potentially be a legendary draft for receivers with as many as 5-6 going in round one. To put it bluntly, it's a crap year for guards in round one.


    I think English is right about Russell's "development most affected by/needing" a BIG BODY go to guy on 3rd downs and in the red-zone. (WR or TE.)

    However, I am suggesting Allen Robinson as a possible alternative at the #32 pick (& especially if we trade down 6-10 picks to get an extra 3rd or 4th). Due to my honest personal opinion and analysis of the 'Big Names' being gone by our turn to select, and also, seeing as how this is a thread about late First Round WRs, not guards & tackles, Robinson is my choice. Not Jace Amaro or Jordan Matthews, who I believe could still be on the board...

    Anyways, in my, {as yet unposted} 2014 Mock: Ebron goes to the Jets, ASJ to the Patriots, Evans to the Rams, Benjamin to the Panthers, and Coleman to the Cleveland Browns...

    Dammit all... we will be stuck at #32 with a stupid trophy to gather dust forever and ever, and a late first round pick conundrum :179417:
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:47 pm
  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I think we need to consider what Seattle really needs here.

    I like Allen Robinson at Penn State. But he's at his best when you put the ball in his hands and let him run at defenders. He's tall -- 6-3 -- but he's around 205-210lbs and looks relatively skinny. For me he's a YAC specialist. And while he will make plays downfield, it's not his absolute greatest strength. You make it sound like his catch radius and ability to attack the ball is some kind of weakness.

    The Seahawks have guys like that, and I fully expect them to find a way to re-sign Tate. Harvin isn't going anywhere before 2014 and will get a chance to bounce back. If the Seahawks had a 6'3 215lbs Golden Tate, then we would have a guy like that.

    What the team needs is a big target -- 6-5/6-6 -- enormous frame. Someone who can box out defenders, compete physically in the air, provide a safety net and be a possession receiver with benefits (aka speed). Demaryius Thomas is 6'3. Dez Bryant is 6'3. Larry Fitzgerald is 6'3... Allen Robinson isn't a small target, at 6'3. IMHO, he attacks the ball more aggressively than either of Benjamin or Coleman. He has the ability to take over games. Benjamin and Coleman can barely overcome themselves - inexplicable lapses in concentration plaguing one and balky knees embattling the other.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:48 pm
  • I can see the appeal of Allen Robinson but he does play like a smaller, fast WR. He doesn't seem to be a natural high pointer, which really scares me. I think that's just an innate ability. I don't question his athleticism, but high pointing is about timing, physicality, strong hands. While I like Robinson, I don't see those qualities. I'd rather gamble on Benjamin or settle for Landry/Beckham who, despite height, are much better jump ball/red line guys than Robinson and Coleman for that matter.

    I've seen the Demaryius Thomas comp, but I vehemently disagree with that. Thomas is a rare, rare physical specimen. He's 20 lbs heavier and runs a legit 4.38-42. I expect Robinson to run in the 4.5s.

    I would also like to double dip at WR and take a shot on Martavis Bryant. His upside is incredible and is another big body with wheels.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:48 am
  • Allen Robinson in the 1st (or early second if we trade down a little bit) and Martavis Bryant in the 4th, to double dip!!!, NOW WE'RE TALKING!
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:02 am
  • bbsplitter wrote:Sooo.... Naturally that means that there will be more quality depth of WR's in the later rounds... right?


    No, it means there are some really good receivers with first round grades that are ideal for this team and you'd be fighting the board for no reason not tapping into it.

    SDHawk wrote:If the Seahawks had a 6'3 215lbs Golden Tate, then we would have a guy like that.



    It's not just about being 6-3. It's the style of the receiver. You keep bringing up Demaryius Thomas who, with respect, is nothing like Allen Robinson.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:22 am
  • I mentioned him twice. Once because he is 6'3. I'm sorry. Is he not? And once because of Robinson's screen game and YAC ability. I happen to think crabtree is a better comparison but crab is too small by your standards at just 6'1
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:33 am
  • I've been keen on Robinson since before the college season. But even I don't see him as a first round talent.

    I still like him. But there are definite warts to his game. In particular, I really don't like the absolute disinterest he displays when pass plays are not called. He has absolutely zero attitude when a run is called. It is so bad, that you can simply watch him out of his stance and instantly know if it's a run well before the ball is even handed off. I would think that would be a real tough sell for us, because every single WR that has made this roster out of training camp blocks and does it with purpose.

    That attribute alone could be enough to completely strike him off our board.

    As a receiver, he aggressively gets the ball. He is athletic, can leap and high point the ball well. Tracks the ball well. And while we often times give allowance to receivers who have poor QB complements to the passing game (Coleman), Robinson broke Bobby Engram's receiving records snaring passes from a freshman QB this year. He was amazingly productive and well rounded in the receiving aspect of his game. Despite having less than optimal conditions from the QB aspect of the passing game.

    I still see Robinson as a day 2 guy. For me, he's kind of at or near the top of the tier 2 guys -- but there is very little separation between him and others at the top of that class. The combine is going to be important because of that lack of separation. And if it too fails to provide any clarity, then we could be looking at a clear trade back scenario if WR is our first selection.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:53 am
  • I don't know why, I just have a feeling Donte Moncrief is gonna be a steal in the mid rounds.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:32 am
  • I decided to go and watch more Allen Robinson last night. Here are a few observations from my perspective:

    Positives: Faster than I expected. Doesn't look pretty but he does run by guys.
    YAC is really good, though most of it seems close to the LOS (is that redundant?)
    Pretty good separation.
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    Negatives: Really unnatural catching the ball. Saw a ton of slight bobbles.
    Not a very good/natural route runner - really "leggy"
    Not a natural High Pointer. Does not naturally use height as advantage.

    My overall opinion: Robinson has a lot to like and quite a bit that worries me. He truly plays like a 6' tall WR. He offers really underrated game speed (not sure how he will test) but a lot of his big plays came from YAC at the LOS or quite a few busted coverages down field. He showed a few catches where it looked like he high pointed the ball, but after further review, he doesn't maximize that ability at all despite really good athleticism and length. Additionally, there were far too many body catches and slight bobbles, aka doesn't look like a natural catcher to me.

    Seahawks Outlook: I really don't think Robinson is the type of player we need. He offers good upside but the things he struggles with are the skills I don't think one can just "learn." High pointing and natural hands are just innate abilities. It's really a shame IMO, because he looks the part of the guy that we are currently missing on this team. Would love him in R2, but wouldn't want him in R1. I still like Beckham, Landry, and the upside of Kelvin Benjamin more than Robinson and would prefer to go that route, and offset one of those 3 with another, later round WR who offers a different skill set. ie Draft Beckham/Landry in R1, then go Martavis Bryant or Cody Hoffman later in the draft. Or draft Kelvin Benjamin in R1 and draft an Austin Franklin type later in the draft. Just my opinion...
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:50 am
  • ... Is everyone assuming Marqise Lee will be gone as well? Because I think it's Watkins / Lee >>> Every other WR in this class.
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Re: 1st Round Pass Catchers
Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:14 am
  • jhern87 wrote:... Is everyone assuming Marqise Lee will be gone as well? Because I think it's Watkins / Lee >>> Every other WR in this class.


    Yes, pretty much that. He's expected to go in the late teens to early 20s. He could drop, but I rather doubt that. He'd have to pass by the Chiefs and Panthers. Those teams probably have WR as their #1 need. Should we win against SF, then they'd be a third team that would pick before us likely to take Lee.

    One player to watch closely is Jordan Matthews at Mobile. I'm sure there will be Senior Bowl threads to come. Seattle is well known for cementing their evaluations of players there. Matthews is a good prospect and worthy of late round 1 consideration.

    He likely will very much intrigue Seattle as he's a very heady player who has an established hunger to get better. He should impress in person when they talk to him. His first response to getting a Senior Bowl invite: He requested tape on the Senior Bowl corners to study in the weeks before practices. He's got talent and he does the little things.
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