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  • Yeah, but Geno Smith? He's the opposite of high intangible. He's closer to me than he is a NFL QB speaking in terms of intangibles. We'll see, I think last year was a down year and an outlier.

    Also, it's emasculating enough that a "cigarette" from across the pond is my equal and/or superior in football knowledge, quit rubbing it in by flexing your knowledge of this drafts OL. I don't do that on your cricket boards.

    We agree on Mariotta. That will be the reach the Vikings get to replace Ponder. It's fate.
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  • The Redskins will probably be more of a model of success in drafting QBs than the Seahawks. We got lucky waiting until the 3rd round to pick a single guy, and having him work out.

    The Redskins were smart and picked Kirk Cousins even after spending that #2 pick on RGIII. Everyone thought they were crazy, but Cousins was good last year and from the looks of things, he might be back on the field again soon. If he plays the way he did last season, the Redskins might end up looking like geniuses (until Cousins tears his knee up on that horrible field).

    Anyway... point being, I wouldn't be surprised to see more teams taking the risk in Round 1 and then taking another in Round 3-5.
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  • Kind of off-topic, Brit, but I think dudes like you now have a much harder job. The CBA has thrown out the standard grading and models for round projections, at least partially. Whichever one of you draft guys is able to pick up that abstract nuance will be the "new" Kiper. For real, it's an entirely different process, new experts will emerge, I bet.

    Good luck!
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  • It definitely has changed the landscape for sure. Funnily enough I had my most successful 'mock' in 2013 (#8 on Huddle Report) but the picks I got wrong were way off. Like laughably wrong. Which is kind of what I think we'll get now. Some really obscure picks that nobody is going to 'get' (eg Buffalo/Manuel) but then some predictable ones too as teams are prepared to take a few risks on physical upside. Last year a lot of guys were taken on upside and for the most part they were easy to project.
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  • theENGLISHseahawk wrote:It definitely has changed the landscape for sure. Funnily enough I had my most successful 'mock' in 2013 (#8 on Huddle Report) but the picks I got wrong were way off. Like laughably wrong. Which is kind of what I think we'll get now. Some really obscure picks that nobody is going to 'get' (eg Buffalo/Manuel) but then some predictable ones too as teams are prepared to take a few risks on physical upside. Last year a lot of guys were taken on upside and for the most part they were easy to project.


    Makes sense. Barkley went lower than he should have. Nassib where he should have. Manuel about 3 rounds too high (at that point in time). That was just a really odd draft year, all the way around.

    The 2014 draft may be the one where the men separate themselves from the boys. Lots of intriguing QB's. And, since you factor in trades in a lot of your mocks, Freeman, Mallett and maybe even Cousins are slippery variables to contend with.

    I don't even think the Browns CAN tank now. They've had an outstanding roster for some time now. Who knew they we're a Hoyer away?
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  • Well, the Browns are guaranteed two more wins at least...

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  • I really do find it adorable when Hans pretends to talk football. It's cute!

    (pehawk lays on his stomach, perches his head upon both hands, elbows on floor while gazing lovingly at Hans)

    "Please tell me again how Stanford was never a power rushing team under Harbaugh, and their offense is comparable to Oregon, Mr Hans!"
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  • I can address some of the character concerns for Colt. I know his HS coach, and Colt grew up with basically 0 home structure and was allowed to stay out all night and do whatever the f he wanted. His coach had to basically become his dad helping him go from a 1.5 gpa as a SO, up to avg a 3.0 as a jr and sr. His personality is nothing like Winslow, who is a spoiled me first rich boy. Colt needed structure, and is still growing up, but he has made huge strides in that regard.

    I think a coach like Pete would be perfect for a guy like Colt, if he goes to a situation with no structure he will fail. If he has a players coach who understands his player, colt will run through a brick wall for that coach.
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  • CPHawk wrote:I can address some of the character concerns for Colt. I know his HS coach, and Colt grew up with basically 0 home structure and was allowed to stay out all night and do whatever the f he wanted. His coach had to basically become his dad helping him go from a 1.5 gpa as a SO, up to avg a 3.0 as a jr and sr. His personality is nothing like Winslow, who is a spoiled me first rich boy. Colt needed structure, and is still growing up, but he has made huge strides in that regard.

    I think a coach like Pete would be perfect for a guy like Colt, if he goes to a situation with no structure he will fail. If he has a players coach who understands his player, colt will run through a brick wall for that coach.


    Well, Carroll has shown that he can have success with the character risk guys. Definitely something to be said for that. It'd be interesting to see them go after this kid, but is he really a first round talent? I'd prefer to see us go after some offensive line talent as that's really our biggest weakness right now.
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  • Jazzhawk wrote:a TE. Could be interesting.....what say you? I like what I've seen from Willson so far, but I know Miller isn't long on our roster most likely.

    http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/24/2014-nfl-mock-draft-teddy-bridgewater-jadeveon-clowney/3/

    31. Seattle Seahawks: Colt Lyerla, TE, Oregon

    The Seahawks used a 2013 fifth-round pick on TE Luke Willson. Lyerla’s way, way better. There is very little the Ducks’ star cannot do on offense, and coming from that Oregon system would put him ahead of the curve in Seattle’s attack.


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    6-5, 246 lbs
    Skill-Set Summary: For the next level, Lyerla looks like a serious mismatch weapon. He has the ability to line up in a variety of places, so offensive coaches can use his special skills to exploit weaknesses in pass coverage. Lyerla looks like a perfect fit for an aerial NFL offense that likes to utilize the tight end.

    As a receiver, Lyerla is an asset. He has good hands and is a strong route-runner. Lyerla gets off the line quickly and is adept at finding soft spots in zone coverage. He is a real weapon in the middle of the field running slant routes and getting deep down the seam. Quarterbacks also have used Lyerla as a nice check-down option in the flat; he generally rewards them with yards after the catch.

    Lyerla has great quickness to gain separation in his route-running with a second gear to burst into the open field after making a reception. He is extremely explosive as a receiver and his speed takes defenses by surprise. Lyerla is tough to bring down once the ball is in his hands. He sheds lots of tackles and carries defensive backs for extra yards before going down. Lyerla is a physical runner who can punish defenders.

    Lyerla has the athletic ability for the next level to be used as an H-back and play some fullback. He could continue to run the ball in short-yardage situations. Lyerla has amazingly quick feet to cut and move as a ball-carrier. Offensive coordinators should have fun using him in a variety of ways and catching defenses by surprise. Lyerla could be a tight end who is similar to former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who was called a swiss army knife because of his dangerous versatility.

    Lyerla needs to improve his blocking for the NFL. He doesn't pack much of a punch at the point of attack. Lyerla gets pushed into the backfield by defensive linemen and physical linebackers. He does much better blocking defensive backs in the second level. The junior's blocking will be scrutinized in 2013, and he needs to show the ability to contribute as a blocker in pass protection as well the ground game. Lyerla's blocking would be better suited to a zone-blocking system.

    Overall, Lyerla is an athletic tight end who should be a dangerous weapon in a NFL offense. Any team that needs an athletic pass-receiving tight end should be interested in selecting him next May in the 2014 NFL Draft.

    They made a glaring mistake, Seattle will be picking at 32 NOT 31, hopefully they correct this! :th2thumbs:
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  • Colt did not make the trip to Colorado with the team due to a "coach's decision". No known injury. Something is off with the dude this year and he seems to be sabotaging himself as far as his NFL hopes.
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    Mark Helfrich says TE Colt Lyerla is serving a one game suspension.
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  • Shame... just seems more hassle than he's worth. Might have some later round value.
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  • I stopped reading when I saw that they had us drafting #31... There's no way we'll be able to trade up from the #32 spot!
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Colt did not make the trip to Colorado with the team due to a "coach's decision". No known injury. Something is off with the dude this year and he seems to be sabotaging himself as far as his NFL hopes.


    New head coach + talented player with a fragile off-the field mind set = dog house for that player. Having read up some on Colt, it does not sound like he is a kid with bad intentions, spoiled, or thinks he is bigger than than team. He had a little bit of a difficult family life during his pre-teen and early teen years, which can arguably be the most difficult time for a young person to deal with life/emotional adversity. Here is a article on him, shedding some insight into his background; http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2012/09/oregon_ducks_colt_lyerla_with.html

    Give him a players coach, which we have in Pete, who can connect to players on a personl or emotional level & I think Colt will flourish both on and off-the field. Another factor that we have is strong leadership on the offensive side of the ball. Russell Wilson while he is young, is mature beyond his years who I could see talking to Colt. We also have a former Oregon player in Max Unger who may also be able to connect with Colt. Colt's parents are originally from Hawaii, his dad currently lives in Hawaii (Colt spent a summer in Hawaii to reconnect with his father). Unger is from Hawaii and played at Oregon, so he could talk to him a maybe play a big brother or mentor role for Colt.

    Colt is a top-15 talent and we have the structure in place to take a chance on Colt. He is a matchup nightmare, lineup in-line as a TE he is too quick and fast for LB's or line him out wide and he is too big for CB to cover.
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  • JSeahawks wrote:Finally the Ducks genius/expert/homer is here to straighten some of you out.

    As I mentioned in another thread the other day i'm not quite as high on Colt now as I was six months ago, but I still think he'd be great value at the very end of the first round. I really believe that some of his negatives are being overexagerated here.

    First of all, the character concerns. The only character problem he has is that he's not the smartest dude in the world. He's kind of like Kiko Alonso last year. He says and thinks some dumb things, but he was just put on this earth to be a football player. He's never been in trouble with the law or been arrested while in Eugene. And that "spat with the coaches" was a media creation that was gone the next day and the writer even retracted the story and apologized for it. He's a bit rough around the edges but that's largely because he came from a really bad family situation and a really rough childhood. If you're interested in reading a little bit about why he is how he is, there's an article here:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.s ... _with.html

    As for the blocking. I wouldn't say he's a great blocker, but he's certainly not a bad blocker. And if you're drafting a tight end in round 1 you're drafting a playmaker, not a blocking specialist. But if you know anything about Oregon you know that if you're a WR or a TE, if you're not a good blocker, you don't play. Period. He's not going to pancake defensive ends but he's pretty good at sealing the edge and can get to the 2nd level. And he's doing all that basically off of his freakish athleticism, not technique. If a guy like Tom Cable got a hold of him, he could turn him into not only a good, but a great blocker, imo. I honestly think Colt is every bit as good of a blocker as Zach Miller is right now though (not dominant, but good enough to get by). And to the guy who said Colt is too small, he's currently up to 6'5", 260. Zach Miller is listed at 6'5", 255.

    Whether or not the Seahawks should draft a TE that high or not, I don't know, but I think Colt is worth that draft position to somebody. If you want a spit and polished, super safe Tim Ruskell type pick, he's probably not the guy. But if you want a dude that's just a football player with a sky high celing. And who fits the Beast Mode personality of the Seahawks better then anybody already on the Seahawks. Then he'd be a great pickup. (After ASJ is off the board, ASJ would be my #1 TE).

    One last thing, I think being around a guy like Russell Wilson would be HUGE for Colt Lyerla. Colt's never been a student of the game and he mostly just gets by on his freak athletic ability. But if just a little tiny bit of Wilson rubbed off on Colt, it could create a monster. Plus, as mentioned, Colts a bit of a conspiracy theorist. He just might believe that Russell is truly a robot. Which could create some locker room fun!


    So Lyerla just quit the team. Any idea what transpired?
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