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Kearly,

This is a very interesting mock to say the least,I love it even though the WLB isn't addressed.Our front office could very well avoid that like they did WR's last year and stick with what they have.I'm a major fan of Ertz cause he is versatile he is a much better blocker than people give him credit for and he has great hands and game speed to be successful being lined up out wide or on the line or whatever.I like the Edwards pick because he could fit the Jason Jones role and possibly be a solid player in that sense.The Harrison/Gardner picks are also great,I like Harrison alot because he is not only big but has some great speed and potential to be an eventual Rice replacement,Gardner also has that potential and could be stashed away on the ps to refine his game.The Hyde pick/Taylor udfa pickup is nice cause both could fill potential open spots if Browner and god forbid Chancellor aren't resigned.I like Robinson as a rb more than wr but he could easily be used as both in our offense.Davis seems to have healed up nicely from that acl? injury he suffered though his numbers this past season didn't quite match what I thought he'd achieve.Every other pickup do seem like great backup potential and or starter quality down the road should Red be cut/traded,Flynn be cut/traded


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Good analysis. I also favor a more defensive minded draft. I think we are set for good competition at
WR, TE and RB. Free agents can make notable difference of course. I thought the wideouts did great. Love Tate, Baldwin, Rice, and probably Harvins a fantastic get. Line play additions would help this team tremendously.

I think our scoring defense as it stood was something of a mirage as it concerns defensive line play. If we lose Branch I believe it will be significant. We wont be able to make a living in the seventh round. So some higher picks would benefit us. Even if we land an aging veteran at DT-I think we need a new focus at DT and end.

Linebackers are best right out of college. You either have it or you don't. There are some rare guys out there. I have always been an OSI fan and Urlacher I would sign and move Wagner. I dont know if those moves will happen. So likely a high pick would ease my pain.

We got some mileage from the offensive line. I don't think Carpenter is a guy we can depend on. I mean he is huge and physical but one just needs to hear him talk to tell he isn't of a cerebral nature like our probowl center. I love Breno, McQuistan, Unger, Okung.....We need to keep improving or fall backwards.

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I'd be fine with your draft, Kearly, except that at DT. I want Brandon Williams somewhere in the second or third round over any of the players you picked. I'm "jacked and pumped" like Pete Carrol thinking about how dominant our pass rush will be with the playmakers we have now, but I'd like some insurance at DT.


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Would we take a TE in the 2nd rd when we just signed Darren Fells to a 3-year deal? I know he's been out of football for a few years, but investing 3 yr contract and we still have Miller and McCoy. Just seems high for a TE at this point.

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I just don't see us drafting a TE with our first pick.


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Personally I would be happier with drafting Sio Moore in the 2nd round in hopes he could start right away at the WLB spot. The competition alone that he would create there would upgrade the position IMO. I do like Malcolm Smith in a reserve role and special teams player. Drafting a TE like Levine Toilolo in the later rounds is intriguing to me and would present a big red zone target for Russell. Imagine a player with his length (at 6'8") and athleticism running that back corner out of the slot position.


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kearly wrote:
Edit: Seattle signed Cliff Avril while I was compiling this, which pretty much proves my point about wanting to address DE in FA. I had us signing Abraham, but this works too.

Note: (I would sign John Abraham in free agency as a 1 year stopgap for LEO). In order to mix things up, I will not include Ryan Swope, John Simon, or Armonty Bryant in this version- although I would surely draft all of them if I had the chance. In fact I'm going to try to go with mostly new names in this one, so expect a few surprises:

2nd round: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
3rd round: Menelik Watson, T, FSU
4th round: Lavar Edwards, DE/DT, LSU
5th round: Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
5th round: Mark Harrison, WR, Rutgers
6th round: Denard Robinson, RB/WR/KR, Michigan
7th round: Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas
7th round: Courtney Gardner, WR, Sierra




I like it but I would much prefer us taking someone like TJ McDonald as a WILL in the 5th over Micah Hyde. I don't think we need another tall corner. Maybe we could take a guy that might fit in as nickel back later in the draft but I see no reason for us to draft a CB. That is probably our deepest position.


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Would we take a TE in the 2nd rd when we just signed Darren Fells to a 3-year deal? I know he's been out of football for a few years, but investing 3 yr contract and we still have Miller and McCoy. Just seems high for a TE at this point.


Darren Fells on a three year minimum rookie contract impacts our draft strategy as much as Steven Williams impacted our desire to trade for Percy Harvin.

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Would we take a TE in the 2nd rd when we just signed Darren Fells to a 3-year deal? I know he's been out of football for a few years, but investing 3 yr contract and we still have Miller and McCoy. Just seems high for a TE at this point.


Darren Fells on a three year minimum rookie contract impacts our draft strategy as much as Steven Williams impacted our desire to trade for Percy Harvin.


Agree, but how many TE's do we need on a roster when we have Miller, McCoy, Morrah and Fells. I would not take a TE in 2nd rd when DT is a glaring need.

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Macklemore's Thrift Shop should be the Seahawks anthem. This is a really good mock, Kearly. Pete goes for value over need everytime. He then fills in stop gaps until value for the need becomes available.


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Would we take a TE in the 2nd rd when we just signed Darren Fells to a 3-year deal? I know he's been out of football for a few years, but investing 3 yr contract and we still have Miller and McCoy. Just seems high for a TE at this point.


Darren Fells on a three year minimum rookie contract impacts our draft strategy as much as Steven Williams impacted our desire to trade for Percy Harvin.


Agree, but how many TE's do we need on a roster when we have Miller, McCoy, Morrah and Fells. I would not take a TE in 2nd rd when DT is a glaring need.


I think kearly explained pretty well why you take a TE when DT is a glaring need: There's probably not going to be a worthy pick in the 2nd round. Sure, maybe Kawann Short or Sylvester Williams fall, but it's really unlikely they get that far down the draft board. Whereas, if you can add a cheap playmaker who gives you some flexibility next year if you need clear some cap space with Miller, you're probably going to go that route.

Plus, c'mon, Miller, Ertz, Rice, Harvin, and Tate on the field at the same time? Fuhgeddaboutit.

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Plus, c'mon, Miller, Ertz, Rice, Harvin, and Tate on the field at the same time? Fuhgeddaboutit.


Good luck defending that.

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Would we take a TE in the 2nd rd when we just signed Darren Fells to a 3-year deal? I know he's been out of football for a few years, but investing 3 yr contract and we still have Miller and McCoy. Just seems high for a TE at this point.


Darren Fells on a three year minimum rookie contract impacts our draft strategy as much as Steven Williams impacted our desire to trade for Percy Harvin.


Agree, but how many TE's do we need on a roster when we have Miller, McCoy, Morrah and Fells. I would not take a TE in 2nd rd when DT is a glaring need.


Considering McCoy is average at best, and Morrah and Fells are complete unknowns, and Miller is an expensive veteran, its certainly a position worth looking at.

And if the choice is between Ertz or, say, the fat guy with rex arms from the small school . . . I'd go with Ertz.

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Plus, c'mon, Miller, Ertz, Rice, Harvin, and Tate on the field at the same time? Fuhgeddaboutit.


Empty backfield with two TE's? That would be unorthodox and really push a defense.

Or are we putting Harvin in the backfield?

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Plus, c'mon, Miller, Ertz, Rice, Harvin, and Tate on the field at the same time? Fuhgeddaboutit.


Empty backfield with two TE's? That would be unorthodox and really push a defense.

Or are we putting Harvin in the backfield?


Both! The possibilities with Harvin are ridiculous.

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I definitely want Knile Davis, he would be my player I would hate to leave the draft without. Lynch, Turbin, Harvin, Davis, that is one loaded backfield.

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Interesting mock, I like that you threw out some different prospects. I agree with the thought of taking an o-lineman with a mid or late round pick...I would recommend taking a look at Virginia Tech (RT) Vinston Painter vs Florida St. Painter had a great game against Florida St DE Bjoern Werner. Painter is considered a late round pick who is still a little raw, but he has huge upside and put up some good #'s at the combine.


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There is no DT worth the #56 pick that I think will likely be there. The closest is Brandon Williams, but I think we could get him a round later and I'm not sure he's the kind of player Pete wants.

I have us drafting a DT in round 4. He didn't play DT in college, but he has a Jason Jones type skillset. IMO, he's as good as anything you're likely to get in the second, so there is no need to reach. I would not be surprised if Seattle took a guy like Edwards sooner than I did, but I don't think it's necessary. I feel that all of the realistic options at DT in round 2 carry 3rd round grades. I feel like Edwards carries a 3rd round grade but could be had in round 4. I'd rather go that route, especially if someone like Ertz is on the board.


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Well it seems now we could try and move up to grab a TE if we really felt like we needed to, with what we did in free agency the last two days.

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Plus, c'mon, Miller, Ertz, Rice, Harvin, and Tate on the field at the same time? Fuhgeddaboutit.


Empty backfield with two TE's? That would be unorthodox and really push a defense.

Or are we putting Harvin in the backfield?


Both! The possibilities with Harvin are ridiculous.


That was my thought, too, when I posted. It gives you the ability to run a pretty heavy run set or send out receivers across the field. It also allows you to max protect and send out 3 while still forcing the defense to stay honest because they have to account for a release from the TE position.

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Charles Johnson would be a nice 7th round WR. 6'3 215lb ran a 4.38 40

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Just some of my thoughts:

I really am not a fan of Ertz at all. I think he'll struggle with blocking in the NFL and he isn't a good enough route runner to make up for a lack of real speed vs an nfl secondary. With this draft, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ertz fall to the late 3rd. I know that not a lot of people agree with me on this, but I really am not a fan of his.

I don't see Harrison making it to the 5th. I would be extremely happy if we took Harrison in the 3rd. If I'm honest, I think Miami will take him in the 2nd or the 3rd.

I personally really like Menelik Watson, I think the competition between him and giac would be pretty good. Which fits the mold that JS and PC look for in their draft picks (can compete for starting jobs immediately. Surce: JS interview @ 2012 combine).

I really don't think we go DE/DT at all in the draft at this point.


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Just some of my thoughts:

I really am not a fan of Ertz at all. I think he'll struggle with blocking in the NFL and he isn't a good enough route runner to make up for a lack of real speed vs an nfl secondary. With this draft, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ertz fall to the late 3rd. I know that not a lot of people agree with me on this, but I really am not a fan of his.

I don't see Harrison making it to the 5th. I would be extremely happy if we took Harrison in the 3rd. If I'm honest, I think Miami will take him in the 2nd or the 3rd.

I personally really like Menelik Watson, I think the competition between him and giac would be pretty good. Which fits the mold that JS and PC look for in their draft picks (can compete for starting jobs immediately. Surce: JS interview @ 2012 combine).

I really don't think we go DE/DT at all in the draft at this point.


While I like Ertz a lot more than you do, I agree that the 3rd round is a possibility for him. His stock is on a tumble.

Harrison has the tools to be a 3rd round pick, but not the track record of production. Players with similar tools have gone undrafted in previous drafts (Danario Alexander, etc). This is a loaded WR class and while Harrison could go much earlier than the 5th, I don't think he will. Too many WRs will be drafted ahead of him. I think he'll go 5 to UDFA range in this ultra competitive WR draft class.

If Seattle had taken Watson at #25 I wouldn't have complained. Combine numbers were a big let down, but he has "wow" athleticism on tape. Really good mauler in the run game too. It is a touch optimistic to get him in the 3rd, but after his combine it could happen. The 2nd and 3rd rounds will be completely unpredictable this year, and you'll have plenty of fringe 1st rounders hanging around in the late 3rd.

DE, probably not. DT, probably will. We basically swapped Jones for Bennett, but Branch and McDonald are both FAs and may not be back. That means we still need to add 0-2 DTs just to cover our basic roster. Bennett is more of a 5-tech than a 3-tech too, so adding another 3-tech and some Red/Mebane insurance is still pretty important. Remember too that Jaye Howard is taking a roster spot right now, and he is a decent bet to not make the 53 man. So you might need as many as three more DTs.


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