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Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:15 am
  • http://seahawksdraftblog.com/rumor-cast ... tin-hunter

    I don't always link my stuff on here anymore, but I figured that this is a topic worth diving deeper into. I never heard Scott's take on this, and Rob basically gave the "pinch of salt" response. That said, after meditating on Seattle's actions last season, then scouting Hunter and weighing the alternatives, I'm starting to think there might actually be some fire with this smoke. We shall see.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:40 am
  • It's definitely reasonable to think Seattle would show interest in Hunt. Physically there's some potential there. I just think there's so much bad tape. This would be their biggest leap of faith first round pick so far IMO. Irvin had so much production and good tape on third downs. Okung was solid if unspectacular. Consistent. Thomas was explosive and Carpenter was far better than most people think. Watching Carp at Alabama, he was a monster. You don't start at left tackle for this Bama team if you're a bad player.

    Hunter has maybe more athletic potential than any of those guys, but his tape is crappy. Big plays dropped. Contested passes lost. Not many explosive 'wow' plays during the season. And a bad injury already checked off to boot. 6-4 and 4.4 makes me think he could be an option. Yet if he'd run 4.5 I'd think 'no chance'... so how much does 0.1 seconds matter?
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:15 am
  • Hunter is a gangly runner. He runs like RG III in tight quarters, his explosion isn't there when cutting in tight quarters and it gets him smashed. Not a natural hands catcher. makes big strides in his cuts, which kills his speed advantage. And when Hunter tries to put a shoulder into someone it is laughable. A wide receiver who can't, or won't, block is screwed in our system, and Hunter is kinda both. Especially if lined up in the slot like he was in college.

    What bugs me most though is the body language. He had an inaccurate QB, but the one thing the highlight videos don't show is the team deflating bitch fits after the QB misses him. They are instant reactions.

    Darius Heyward Bay is the first thought I had, not in playing style so much, but what an over reach getting him in the first would be. In fact, I would be more comfortable with signing Bey as a free agent than picking Hunter in the 2nd round. At least Bey isn't a big injury risk. Hunter's ACL was not a contact injury, and in fact was't even a cutting injury. He blew his ACL coming down from a leap. That is another big red flag.

    Also, he declined to do the bench press at the combine. That shouldn't be a big deal, but if the biggest concern is his inability to put on bulk, he should have been in the weight room getting yoked for the combine, and instead he was intent on showing teams he is fast. They already knew that. They want to know if he can bulk up, and he declined to show them if he even tried to bulk up in the weight room. Considering how this last offseason Seattle made it a priority for Sidney Rice to put on 15 pounds, Hunter appearing to not be a weight room guy isn't a plus.

    If it was a Seattle scout who leaked this, I see it as just draft talk. I agree that the athletics are right up Pete's alley, but Pete has always liked BIG fast receivers, and slim pickins from Tennessee isn't big. Just fast.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:29 am
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:04 am
  • Kearly/Scott/Rob,

    How does Hunter compare to Marquess Wilson from the WSU? Are they similar players on the field?

    I just don't see why we would take a guy like Hunter in the first when we could pick up Wilson in the 5th or later. Hunter might have more upside but by the description of Hunter, Wilson is a much more natural pass catcher.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:05 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:Hunter is a gangly runner. He runs like RG III in tight quarters, his explosion isn't there when cutting in tight quarters and it gets him smashed. Not a natural hands catcher. makes big strides in his cuts, which kills his speed advantage. And when Hunter tries to put a shoulder into someone it is laughable. A wide receiver who can't, or won't, block is screwed in our system, and Hunter is kinda both. Especially if lined up in the slot like he was in college.

    What bugs me most though is the body language. He had an inaccurate QB, but the one thing the highlight videos don't show is the team deflating bitch fits after the QB misses him. They are instant reactions.

    Darius Heyward Bay is the first thought I had, not in playing style so much, but what an over reach getting him in the first would be. In fact, I would be more comfortable with signing Bey as a free agent than picking Hunter in the 2nd round. At least Bey isn't a big injury risk. Hunter's ACL was not a contact injury, and in fact was't even a cutting injury. He blew his ACL coming down from a leap. That is another big red flag.

    Also, he declined to do the bench press at the combine. That shouldn't be a big deal, but if the biggest concern is his inability to put on bulk, he should have been in the weight room getting yoked for the combine, and instead he was intent on showing teams he is fast. They already knew that. They want to know if he can bulk up, and he declined to show them if he even tried to bulk up in the weight room. Considering how this last offseason Seattle made it a priority for Sidney Rice to put on 15 pounds, Hunter appearing to not be a weight room guy isn't a plus.

    If it was a Seattle scout who leaked this, I see it as just draft talk. I agree that the athletics are right up Pete's alley, but Pete has always liked BIG fast receivers, and slim pickins from Tennessee isn't big. Just fast.


    Terrific review. Hard to argue with any of it.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:27 am
  • Brandon Browner's looking pretty good with wonkier looking legs than Hunter.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:03 am
  • McGruff wrote:Brandon Browner's looking pretty good with wonkier looking legs than Hunter.

    Has Browner ever blown one out? And do you have any reason to doubt Browner visits the weight room?
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:06 am
  • polarbill1999 wrote:Kearly/Scott/Rob,

    How does Hunter compare to Marquess Wilson from the WSU? Are they similar players on the field?

    I just don't see why we would take a guy like Hunter in the first when we could pick up Wilson in the 5th or later. Hunter might have more upside but by the description of Hunter, Wilson is a much more natural pass catcher.


    Similar frames, speed and level of inconsistency. Both upside types but wouldn't trust either to make me a play in a key game.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:24 am
  • Scottemojo wrote:
    McGruff wrote:Brandon Browner's looking pretty good with wonkier looking legs than Hunter.

    Has Browner ever blown one out? And do you have any reason to doubt Browner visits the weight room?


    I'm just saying watching the way a guys knees look on youtube videos is a Wierd scouting technique.

    I know Hunter's knee is a concern, as is his overall thin build, but again, we're not talking Todd Pinkston or Alex Bannister. e's got good muscle tone and build. He's no thinner than randy Moss ever was.

    In fact, I'd put his comparison at somewhere between Rice and Moss. That's the kind of receiver he is. He's not a YAC guy. in fact, his YAC decisions border between pedestrian and catastrophic. But his route running, speed, and ability to win the elevating battle make him a great fit for our offense and Russell Wilson.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:26 am
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    polarbill1999 wrote:Kearly/Scott/Rob,

    How does Hunter compare to Marquess Wilson from the WSU? Are they similar players on the field?

    I just don't see why we would take a guy like Hunter in the first when we could pick up Wilson in the 5th or later. Hunter might have more upside but by the description of Hunter, Wilson is a much more natural pass catcher.


    Similar frames, speed and level of inconsistency. Both upside types but wouldn't trust either to make me a play in a key game.


    Similar but not the same. hunter is better in every area IMO, and his upside is much greater.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:30 am
  • Don't we already have a much better version of Justin Hunter in Sidney Rice? I think they are gonna go for a tall WR who is big and physical as well. I love Mark Harrison's measurables. I am not sure how raw he is or what are the reasons behind his stock being a mid-late round pick but his physical attributes are comparable to Terrell Owens. I think we need to draft a guy like that instead of drafting a guy like Justin Hunter. That is why I am also okay with drafting a joker TE such a Chris Gragg.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:31 am
  • McGruff wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:
    McGruff wrote:Brandon Browner's looking pretty good with wonkier looking legs than Hunter.

    Has Browner ever blown one out? And do you have any reason to doubt Browner visits the weight room?


    I'm just saying watching the way a guys knees look on youtube videos is a Wierd scouting technique.

    I know Hunter's knee is a concern, as is his overall thin build, but again, we're not talking Todd Pinkston or Alex Bannister. e's got good muscle tone and build. He's no thinner than randy Moss ever was.

    In fact, I'd put his comparison at somewhere between Rice and Moss. That's the kind of receiver he is. He's not a YAC guy. in fact, his YAC decisions border between pedestrian and catastrophic. But his route running, speed, and ability to win the elevating battle make him a great fit for our offense and Russell Wilson.


    I'm not a scout. I watched the guy and told you what I saw. He blew out his knee without being touched. I'd say it's important to figure out why.

    Somewhere between Rice and Moss, huh? I guess we better trade up to first and get him. Wait a tic, those guys have really good hands.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:37 am
  • Wat I see with Hunter and his hands is that he has a tendency to spiral. He doesn't drop a lot of passes, but when he does, they come in bunches.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:43 am
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:11 am
  • Seattle loves receivers that compete. Win 1v1's. Go up and get the football. There's not a great deal of tape out there showing Hunter can do that. In fact, when he's really challenged he often comes out second best. Being tall and fast doesn't make him an ideal fit for this team. And as noted here, his drops come in bunches. Doesn't exactly scream mental toughness does it? And that's what any receiver is going to need going forward now with RW under center.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:33 am
  • I like Hopkins quite a bit more than Hunter. He doesn't have his size, but he ran a 4.52 at his pro day which is .08 s more than Hunter. He's 3 inches short, but aside from that he possess everything that Hunter doesn't have: Route running, agility, awareness, catches the ball away from his body,
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:34 am
  • Pete Carroll have said this in a few different interviews that he wants to add a WR to this team that can match up with Russell Wilson's work ethic. We all need to focus on this and I believe that PC actually means every bit of it when he says that. He wants to bring in a guy that can stay out there with RW and compete as much as him. We are definitely not going to bring in a "talented headcase" in my opinion.

    It's going to be some guy who wants to be great on and off the field. A guy who believes in studying the film as much as spending time in the weight room, etc.

    Forgot to add: I am not saying Justin Hunter is a headcase haha It's just an another thing to look out for. Maybe, Hopkins is that guy? I have read that he loves studying the film.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:59 am
  • SeahawksFanForever wrote:Pete Carroll have said this in a few different interviews that he wants to add a WR to this team that can match up with Russell Wilson's work ethic. We all need to focus on this and I believe that PC actually means every bit of it when he says that. He wants to bring in a guy that can stay out there with RW and compete as much as him. We are definitely not going to bring in a "talented headcase" in my opinion.

    It's going to be some guy who wants to be great on and off the field. A guy who believes in studying the film as much as spending time in the weight room, etc.

    Forgot to add: I am not saying Justin Hunter is a headcase haha It's just an another thing to look out for. Maybe, Hopkins is that guy? I have read that he loves studying the film.


    Wilson's work ethic/film study is contagious. Look at Golden Tate pre Wilson...see Golden Tate now. Wilson has changed the expectations in the locker room....and people now follow.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:39 am
  • Tall & fast are great qualities in a WR, however, said WR's still need to perform and actually catch the ball. Hunter, I rank as a round 3 pick that Seattle should ignore in the first 2 rounds. If he's there in round 3, I'd still scatch my head & look for a more "complete" WR or maybe draft a different position.

    I think it's a common thought on this board that tall & fast WR's are preferred, this is because of the possible "jump ball" catches and red zone TD catches that many feel are only accomplished by tall and fast WR's. My contention is that "seperation" (getting open) is more important than physical height.

    IMO, Steadman Bailey at 5-10 is FAR superior to ALL of the other top rated WR's in the category that is the most important -- TD's. Bailey's 25-TD's last year are easily 2 to 3 times more TD's than ANY other WR in this draft and to me, Bailey would be an excellent draft pick in round 2 (or 3) and would be capabile of starting immeadiately in year one. (A tall/fast/developmental WR in mid to later rounds I could support.) Please note: Bailey's 25-TD's are more than all of the Hawks WR's COMBINED last year. Many of the taller WR's in this draft are a bit like the cute girl that is really nice, pretty, and stacked, but doesn't really put out. And, the Seahawks really need to get a little.

    IMO, a first round pick MUST be starter ready or at least nearly starter ready. The only exception I would make to that thought would be a developmental FREAK, that has the potential and upside to be a pro-bowl stud. Yes, Hunter is tall and fast, but to me he is still a "tater" that may take a couple years to get it, but only then IF he can stay healthy (which is QUESTIONABLE-IMO) with his bird legs and previous medical history. I'd take SUPER production & pass catching ability over WR's with just height and speed that have difficulty with getting open and making catches, especially in scoring TD catches. :49ersmall:
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:39 pm
  • Hunter excels are getting separation and makes catches . . . and has the productivity to show it . . . so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity.

    And I really like Bailey as well, but don't think he has the upside of Hunter, Patterson, Rogers or even Austin. But among the second tier receivers, he's at the top of my list.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:41 pm
  • BTW, Hunter is not without weaknesses, principle among which is his medical history.

    I also notice that he doesn't have a tendency to get easily frustrated, with both his own performance and his QB. Reminds me a bit of Rice in that way.

    Finally, he's a mess when trying to run in traffic. In the open field, he's got good burst away from would be tacklers, but in traffic he's a disaster runningt with the football.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:16 pm
  • ""Hunter excels are getting separation and makes catches . . . and has the productivity to show it . . . so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"".

    I guess it may boil down to your definition of productivity. To me, production is best judged by # of TD's, but # of catches and yards are also very important evidences of production (over "potential" production).

    Justin Hunter, WR:
    2012 = 73 catches for 1083 yards, 9-TD's, (#26 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 106 catches for 1812 yards., 18-TD's

    Steadman Bailey, WR:
    2012 - 114 catches for 1622 yards, 25-TD's, (#3 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 210 catches for 3218 yards, 41-TD's, (Bailey's career TD total is more than 2x Hunters.)

    Bailey had more catches in 2012 than Hunter has had in his career. IMO, Bailey had more productiuon and it's not by a small margin. I'm not touting Bailey as a 1-st round pick. I'd like to see him drafted by the Seahawks in round 2 (or possibly in round 3, if they are lucky) - which would be optimum VALUE for the Seahawks. I would hope they also draft another, taller WR in the mid to late rounds to satisy that element. (B. Kaufman, M. Wilson, M. Davis, C. Fuller, etc.) I could also see the Seahawks having interest in Tavarres King, WR, 6'/189, 4.47/40 that had 42 catches for 950 yards last season, that's 22.6 average yards per catch (#1 in that stat.) A probable round 4/5 pick from Georga. I think the Seahawks just need more arrows for RW's quiver. IMO-both speed and the ability to seperate trump undeveloped height in a WR, of course they also have to catch the ball (which is the bigest gripe on Hunter).
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:30 pm
  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:""Hunter excels are getting separation and makes catches . . . and has the productivity to show it . . . so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"".

    I guess it may boil down to your definition of productivity. To me, production is best judged by # of TD's, but # of catches and yards are also very important evidences of production (over "potential" production).

    Justin Hunter, WR:
    2012 = 73 catches for 1083 yards, 9-TD's, (#26 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 106 catches for 1812 yards., 18-TD's

    Steadman Bailey, WR:
    2012 - 114 catches for 1622 yards, 25-TD's, (#3 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 210 catches for 3218 yards, 41-TD's, (Bailey's career TD total is more than 2x Hunters.)

    Bailey had more catches in 2012 than Hunter has had in his career. IMO, Bailey had more productiuon and it's not by a small margin. I'm not touting Bailey as a 1-st round pick. I'd like to see him drafted by the Seahawks in round 2 (or possibly in round 3, if they are lucky) - which would be optimum VALUE for the Seahawks. I would hope they also draft another, taller WR in the mid to late rounds to satisy that element. (B. Kaufman, M. Wilson, M. Davis, C. Fuller, etc.) I could also see the Seahawks having interest in Tavarres King, WR, 6'/189, 4.47/40 that had 42 catches for 950 yards last season, that's 22.6 average yards per catch (#1 in that stat.) A probable round 4/5 pick from Georga. I think the Seahawks just need more arrows for RW's quiver. IMO-both speed and the ability to seperate trump undeveloped height in a WR, of course they also have to catch the ball (which is the bigest gripe on Hunter).
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    I don't like the idea of Hunter to the Hawks, but college numbers are a piss poor way to cross him off your list. By that line of reasoning, Keenan Allen sucks.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:37 pm
  • Does scheme have anything to do with it, or just raw numbers?

    Because one team runs a pro-style offense, and one team runs a goofy college spread offense that inflates receiver numbers.

    Or how about QB play?

    Because one team had a very average QB, and the other had a Heisman Trophy candidate?

    And at the end of the day, if scouting was only about college production, Danny Wuerfell would be winding up a 20 year career with the Broncos instead of Peyton Manning, and David Greene would still be the Seahawks starting QB. But college production is not what scouting is all about, is it? Scouting is about professional projection, and while I like Bailey as a quality 3, borderline 2 . . . its Hunter that projects as a potential #1 receiver in the pros.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:37 pm
  • Yeah pretty hard to compare production within Dana Holgorsen's air raid offense to a more conventional scheme.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:40 pm


  • He may have better tape than this, but this guy doesn't look like a top 3 WR to me in this draft. His hands are awful, and he always catches the ball in close to his body. Even his catch on the 15 yard in route- he bobbled it.

    I'm amazing by his fame & speed combo but he seems like more of a project. I think you draft a guy like this and he becomes similar to Michael Floyd in Arizona.

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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:49 pm
  • lukerguy wrote:

    He may have better tape than this, but this guy doesn't look like a top 3 WR to me in this draft. His hands are awful, and he always catches the ball in close to his body. Even his catch on the 15 yard in route- he bobbled it.

    I'm amazing by his fame & speed combo but he seems like more of a project. I think you draft a guy like this and he becomes similar to Michael Floyd in Arizona.

    When you watch players, I want to encourage you to view their game tape- not their highlights.


    I don't watch highlights, just like you.

    And you did pick the worst game . . . this was an example of one of my concerns with Hunter in that he does tend to sprial with his drops. That's a legit concern.

    And there is no doubt that Hunter is "more" raw than Hopkins . . . notice I didn't say he's raw, but more raw. Raw by comparison. And there's a couple ways you can look at that. You will say that Hopkins is more polished, which would be true. I would say Hopkins is closer to his ceiling, which IMO is lower compared to Hunter. I've said it before, but I get a Rashaun Woods feeling from Hopkins. But he could just as easily be Reggie Wayne.

    And Hunter could be Koren Robinson . . . or he could be Randy Moss. Time will tell, but I'm willing to gamble on Randy Moss.
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Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:50 pm
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:59 pm
  • McGruff wrote:
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    He may have better tape than this, but this guy doesn't look like a top 3 WR to me in this draft. His hands are awful, and he always catches the ball in close to his body. Even his catch on the 15 yard in route- he bobbled it.

    I'm amazing by his fame & speed combo but he seems like more of a project. I think you draft a guy like this and he becomes similar to Michael Floyd in Arizona.

    When you watch players, I want to encourage you to view their game tape- not their highlights.


    I don't watch highlights, just like you.

    And you did pick the worst game . . . this was an example of one of my concerns with Hunter in that he does tend to sprial with his drops. That's a legit concern.

    And there is no doubt that Hunter is "more" raw than Hopkins . . . notice I didn't say he's raw, but more raw. Raw by comparison. And there's a couple ways you can look at that. You will say that Hopkins is more polished, which would be true. I would say Hopkins is closer to his ceiling, which IMO is lower compared to Hunter. I've said it before, but I get a Rashaun Woods feeling from Hopkins. But he could just as easily be Reggie Wayne.

    And Hunter could be Koren Robinson . . . or he could be Randy Moss. Time will tell, but I'm willing to gamble on Randy Moss.


    Lots of good stuff here, but I can promise you his upside is nowhere near Randy Moss. Randy Moss ran an unofficial 4.25 out of college with some of the best hands this game has seen. I knew a guy who played against him, they said they put their fastest guy on him who had no issues covering anyone in the past, and he ran past him every time with a safety over the top. They don't call him superfreak for no reason.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:17 pm
  • McGruff-- ""so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"

    You asked, and I explained why I think Bailey is more productive than Hunter. Exactly how do you measure production, by what some talking head expert says? IMO- college stats are a measure of production, and I fully understand differences in scheme, QB's, etc. However, you are implying that Hunter is productive, even though he hasn't shown that as much as Bailey. Hunter's stats say he's inexperienced and most all scouting reports I've seen are pretty firm in their assertion that Hunter is a body catcher, is inconsistent and drops passes. I don't want to express anything other than MY opinion and I don't want to ruffle your feathers about a player you obviously want the Seahawks to draft. You can have your favorites, and so can I.

    PS: I've watched about 15-16 hours of tape specifically on WR's so far this pre-draft season and read many, many scouting reports, so I'm not just throwing a name around, but again, it is just MY opinion, you don't have to buy in at all and of course, you are also entitled to your opinions. Just......Go Seahawks.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:03 pm
  • Caveat: I am a homer so take with a grain of salt

    I've seen every game that Hunter played in his collegiate career and I strongly feel he will be a very good pro. He was WR1 before the injury and severely outplayed Da'Rick. Also, he was a legitimate high jump track star as well. Last year was an enigma as the staff was Dead Man Walking and Hunter was protecting himself for the NFL. Was that mature? No. But he does have a young child, didn't trust his knee and was playing for a sinking ship team. I would love if we drafted him or CP. but, I'm a homer and was very vocal about drafting Berry over ET as well so what the heck do I know.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:19 pm
  • CamanoIslandJQ wrote:McGruff-- ""so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"

    You asked, and I explained why I think Bailey is more productive than Hunter. Exactly how do you measure production, by what some talking head expert says? IMO- college stats are a measure of production, and I fully understand differences in scheme, QB's, etc. However, you are implying that Hunter is productive, even though he hasn't shown that as much as Bailey. Hunter's stats say he's inexperienced and most all scouting reports I've seen are pretty firm in their assertion that Hunter is a body catcher, is inconsistent and drops passes. I don't want to express anything other than MY opinion and I don't want to ruffle your feathers about a player you obviously want the Seahawks to draft. You can have your favorites, and so can I.

    PS: I've watched about 15-16 hours of tape specifically on WR's so far this pre-draft season and read many, many scouting reports, so I'm not just throwing a name around, but again, it is just MY opinion, you don't have to buy in at all and of course, you are also entitled to your opinions. Just......Go Seahawks.


    Guess we will see how the professional nfl scouts and teams see it in April :th2thumbs:
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:04 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:
    CamanoIslandJQ wrote:""Hunter excels are getting separation and makes catches . . . and has the productivity to show it . . . so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"".

    I guess it may boil down to your definition of productivity. To me, production is best judged by # of TD's, but # of catches and yards are also very important evidences of production (over "potential" production).

    Justin Hunter, WR:
    2012 = 73 catches for 1083 yards, 9-TD's, (#26 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 106 catches for 1812 yards., 18-TD's

    Steadman Bailey, WR:
    2012 - 114 catches for 1622 yards, 25-TD's, (#3 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 210 catches for 3218 yards, 41-TD's, (Bailey's career TD total is more than 2x Hunters.)

    Bailey had more catches in 2012 than Hunter has had in his career. IMO, Bailey had more productiuon and it's not by a small margin. I'm not touting Bailey as a 1-st round pick. I'd like to see him drafted by the Seahawks in round 2 (or possibly in round 3, if they are lucky) - which would be optimum VALUE for the Seahawks. I would hope they also draft another, taller WR in the mid to late rounds to satisy that element. (B. Kaufman, M. Wilson, M. Davis, C. Fuller, etc.) I could also see the Seahawks having interest in Tavarres King, WR, 6'/189, 4.47/40 that had 42 catches for 950 yards last season, that's 22.6 average yards per catch (#1 in that stat.) A probable round 4/5 pick from Georga. I think the Seahawks just need more arrows for RW's quiver. IMO-both speed and the ability to seperate trump undeveloped height in a WR, of course they also have to catch the ball (which is the bigest gripe on Hunter).
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    I don't like the idea of Hunter to the Hawks, but college numbers are a piss poor way to cross him off your list. By that line of reasoning, Keenan Allen sucks.


    "piss poor way to cross him off your list?" Based on what he has said in his other posts, I don't think that is the complete reasoning for Camano's choices. He is making "a" point in a comparison between 2 receivers and I really don't see where you get the idea that his whole reasoning is based on that one thing.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:23 pm
  • ivotuk wrote:
    Scottemojo wrote:
    CamanoIslandJQ wrote:""Hunter excels are getting separation and makes catches . . . and has the productivity to show it . . . so I'm confused how you are discounting him based on productivity"".

    I guess it may boil down to your definition of productivity. To me, production is best judged by # of TD's, but # of catches and yards are also very important evidences of production (over "potential" production).

    Justin Hunter, WR:
    2012 = 73 catches for 1083 yards, 9-TD's, (#26 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 106 catches for 1812 yards., 18-TD's

    Steadman Bailey, WR:
    2012 - 114 catches for 1622 yards, 25-TD's, (#3 of all WR's in 2012 by yardage)
    Career = 210 catches for 3218 yards, 41-TD's, (Bailey's career TD total is more than 2x Hunters.)

    Bailey had more catches in 2012 than Hunter has had in his career. IMO, Bailey had more productiuon and it's not by a small margin. I'm not touting Bailey as a 1-st round pick. I'd like to see him drafted by the Seahawks in round 2 (or possibly in round 3, if they are lucky) - which would be optimum VALUE for the Seahawks. I would hope they also draft another, taller WR in the mid to late rounds to satisy that element. (B. Kaufman, M. Wilson, M. Davis, C. Fuller, etc.) I could also see the Seahawks having interest in Tavarres King, WR, 6'/189, 4.47/40 that had 42 catches for 950 yards last season, that's 22.6 average yards per catch (#1 in that stat.) A probable round 4/5 pick from Georga. I think the Seahawks just need more arrows for RW's quiver. IMO-both speed and the ability to seperate trump undeveloped height in a WR, of course they also have to catch the ball (which is the bigest gripe on Hunter).
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    I don't like the idea of Hunter to the Hawks, but college numbers are a piss poor way to cross him off your list. By that line of reasoning, Keenan Allen sucks.


    "piss poor way to cross him off your list?" Based on what he has said in his other posts, I don't think that is the complete reasoning for Camano's choices. He is making "a" point in a comparison between 2 receivers and I really don't see where you get the idea that his whole reasoning is based on that one thing.

    He is trying to make the case that Bailey is better than Hunter based on college numbers. Just tell me how Bailey is better any way besides stats. Show me tape of Bailey abusing a corner who is going to be a high pick in the draft. Show me Bailey sinking his hips and making a cut. Show me Bailey looking the ball into his hands. But don't compare stats, that is what I mean. Stats may not be his whole reasoning, but in the case of Hunter vs Bailey that is how he framed it.

    There are stats that matter. Hunter getting two thirds of his touchdowns vs tiny football schools, that is useful, now I have context. Now I can watch him vs a bigger school and look at who had an easy time shitting him down and why.

    Sorry if it sounded harsh. Sometimes I forget that terse text isn't very nice.
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:33 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Sometimes I forget that terse text isn't very nice.


    LOL! That cracked me up :D I've always found it interesting how easy it is for one's attitude or emotions to be transferred to text. You can sometimes learn something about the person posting just by reading. The classic example is: "HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS ONLY 12?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!" I laughed the first time I read that and since then have always equated all caps with immaturity.

    As far as Hunter goes, imaho, I don't think he would hold up a full season and considering that we already have seen injuries with Sidney and Doug, I would prefer to go with a stouter receiver. I would love to get DeAndre Hopkins or Quinton Patten. Patten looked good at the Senior Bowl and some of his highlights are pretty good. Don't know much about Stedman Bailey but Tavon Austin in an interview spoke highly of him. Tavon also has a lot of love for Bruce Irvin :D
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:39 pm
  • Allright allready,
    I should explain my Bailey choice a little better. IMO-The Seahawks priority needs (as of right now, before FA) are DL & OLB. My thought is that rounds 1 and 2 should probably be DL/OLB.
    (like D. Jones, K. Greene -or- K. Short, Sio Moore, for example. If that is how the draft goes down, the earliest pick available (without trades of course) for a WR would have to be in rounds 3 and beyond.

    Due to Hunters height/speed and "potential" upside, several WR needy teams will jump on him in round 1 or 2 or early round 3 at the latest. it is my feeling that he wouldn't be on the board when the 3-rd round pick (+/- #87) comes up for the Seahawks. It is impossible to know any players positioning in this draft but from all indications I see on the draft rating sites, Hunter is not going to be there anywhere after early round 3. So, WR in round-3 - IMO is where the Seahawks get their guy. Again, IMO the best available WR's in round-3 are Bailey, Swope, Stills, Dobson, Hamilton, Harper & possibly Da'Rick Rogers (if he falls some).

    Of that group, with the possible exception of Rogers (if he falls badly), I like Steadman Bailey the best for numerous reasons (including his experience & production). IMO, of the above listed round 3+ WR's Bailey is the most starter ready (and brings to mind Bobby Engram's play in the past), a real safety valve for RW. I also like Swope and I think he could be impactful in year one, his health is a question mark at this time, so Bailey is my 3-rd round choice for now. Does any of this make sense to y'all?
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Re: Justin Hunter SDB article
Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:56 pm
  • Scottemojo wrote:Hunter is a gangly runner. He runs like RG III in tight quarters, his explosion isn't there when cutting in tight quarters and it gets him smashed.


    I didn't mention it in my write-up, but I got RG3 vibes from his running style and leg structure as well.

    Scottemojo wrote:If it was a Seattle scout who leaked this, I see it as just draft talk. I agree that the athletics are right up Pete's alley, but Pete has always liked BIG fast receivers, and slim pickins from Tennessee isn't big. Just fast.


    Basically, Mark Harrison.
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