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First 5 picks are as follows:

1 (25) - DT Sharrif Floyd - Florida
2 (58) - WR Terrance Williams - Baylor
3 (89) - LEO Brandon Jenkins - Florida State
4 (122) - TE Gavin Escobar - San Diego State
5 (133) - OLB Zaviar Gooden - Mizzou

I doubt anything close to this happens, but if it did.. how would you like it?

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No to Williams.


I should mention, I was trying hard to trade up for DeAndre Hopkins who somehow slipped to the mid-50's.

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And, I bet that trade involved Wilson, huh?

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I like it. All of the picks.

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And, I bet that trade involved Wilson, huh?

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Nah. For a 2?

I was selling him off for 2016 7th rounders.

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I REALLY hated Wright from Baylor last year, and as usual, was dead wrong. So, I'm open to Williams.


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Williams is the ultimate body catcher.

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Williams is the ultimate body catcher.


I think he can be coached up... kid is an athletic freak like Patterson.

That said - I'd probably prefer Hopkins over him.

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No to Williams.


I should mention, I was trying hard to trade up for DeAndre Hopkins who somehow slipped to the mid-50's.


Right, if you took Floyd over Hopkins at #25, then i've no more use for you.

I understand that you HATE Russell Wilson, but this is just ridiculous.

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peachesenregalia wrote:
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No to Williams.


I should mention, I was trying hard to trade up for DeAndre Hopkins who somehow slipped to the mid-50's.


Right, if you took Floyd over Hopkins at #25, then i've no more use for you.

I understand that you HATE Russell Wilson, but this is just ridiculous.


Im pretty sure he admitted he was wrong and no longer hates Russell. Half this site was anti Wilson at one point...he was just outspoken about it. Just because you dislike his mock draft doesn't mean you should treat him poorly. Its just a mock, calm down bro.

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T-Sizzle, or it could be peaches going with a joke that Hasselbeck is in on himself. Hasselbeck, the poster, is a keeper because he can laugh at himself a bit and goes with the occasional dig.

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Floyd & Escobar would be complete steals at their respective draft positions and would be instant contriburs. Floyd in particular can play 3 spots on the DL, and do so at a very high level. Not to mention, he's only 20 years old. Escobar, IMO, is a better receiving threat than Eifert. Eifert high points the ball as well as anybody, but he lacks natural spearation skills and his blocking is non-existent. Not that Escobar is a good blocker, but I did see consistent effort (hugely underrated aspect of blocking). Escobar also is surprisingly agile, to go along with really nice top end speed (though not a burner) and I was surprised to see how natural he was catching the ball. Really underrated prospect IMO, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him go top 40.

Gooden is a freak and could become a great WIL with tutelage under Norton. You can't teach those physical gifts (legit 4.4 speed). I don't love Jenkins, but I see the potential value there by taking advantage of the injury. My only concern with him (probably unfair) is that I see a lot of Everette Brown in him (similarly undersized FSU DE).

I really dislike the Williams pick, however. I think the perceived value is fine, but I just don't think much of Williams. Body catcher, not very competitive, struggles with route running, and really not the blazer he's made out to be (thinking a 4.5 guy). I'm usually not one to rag on a prospect, but he's really got some glaring shortcomings/weaknesses that can make him a literal non-factor in the NFL, let alone a merely average WR. It's starts with his inability to run anything but a go route. Route running can be taught, but he seemed to lack flexibility to make clean cuts/breaks (noted during Sr Bowl week when forced to run an actual route tree). I'm sure he can improve in this area, but I liken it to teaching a SS with bad hands to turn a double play. Sure, he will improve, but there are also limitations when you have bad hands (bad hips).

I know I spent a majority of focus (negatively) on Williams, but he's one of those prospects IMO, who really, really worries me about his transition to the pro game. I see a guy who will take at least 2 years before he can do anything but "go deep." Other than that, superlative draft. I love Floyd and he would actually be my #1 DT due to upside, motor, versatility, and youth. Escobar is my favorite receiving prospect (combo of draft value/upside).


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peachesenregalia wrote:
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No to Williams.


I should mention, I was trying hard to trade up for DeAndre Hopkins who somehow slipped to the mid-50's.


Right, if you took Floyd over Hopkins at #25, then i've no more use for you.

I understand that you HATE Russell Wilson, but this is just ridiculous.


JMO, but Floyd is a better player with more upside at a greater need position compared to Hopkins.

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I think Floyd is going to end up top 15, but I hope I am wrong. As good as that kid looks, he is only 20.

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More than happy with those selections given the rounds they were taken in...


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Scottemojo wrote:
I think Floyd is going to end up top 15, but I hope I am wrong. As good as that kid looks, he is only 20.


Yep...you can take that to the bank. And quite honestly, if he got to 15, I would sincerely consider trading up to get him. I know it's a big sacrifice, but he's the type of DL you can build around. Sure, he's not a 12 sack Suh type, but you can literally put him anywhere and you will get top notch effort with a lot of natural ability to go with it. He could be a 1, 3, or 5 and do so, at a high level. And like you said, he's not even 21 yet. That's rare for a DL.

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I think Floyd is going to end up top 15, but I hope I am wrong. As good as that kid looks, he is only 20.


I agree he has a super high potential but the experts said that DT-Amobi Akoye was a no fail prospect and after 5 seasons he's still only 25 and hasn't really proven his draft position value yet.

The only pick I don't like from those above is WR- Brandon Williams, I don't think the team would select him.

JMO but McGruff is right and Floyd offers a higher value to the team than Hopkins @ 25.

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Pay attention, T-Snizzle.

Hasselbeck knows I jest.

Also, Radish's real name is Matt and AbsolutNET's real name is Les.

And JSeahawks' real name is Mark.

Who's Anthony?

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Pay attention, T-Snizzle.

Hasselbeck knows I jest.

Also, Radish's real name is Matt and AbsolutNET's real name is Les.

And JSeahawks' real name is Mark.

Who's Anthony?


Anthony used to own this site. The dude with all the hair.


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Pay attention, T-Snizzle.

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Also, Radish's real name is Matt and AbsolutNET's real name is Les.

And JSeahawks' real name is Mark.


Can My real name be Dikembe?

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Pay attention, T-Snizzle.

Hasselbeck knows I jest.

Also, Radish's real name is Matt and AbsolutNET's real name is Les.

And JSeahawks' real name is Mark.


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Seems pretty unlikely that these guys fall like that, but that would be a helluva draft


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Pay attention, T-Snizzle.

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Also, Radish's real name is Matt and AbsolutNET's real name is Les.

And JSeahawks' real name is Mark.


You son of a...

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Floyd was touted as a top ten pick by a mystery source, then shortly after Scott Pioli revealed his underclassman big board and showed that Floyd was #3 on it. We don't know who that mystery source was, but it's possible that both he and Pioli are one and the same. Pioli isn't running a front office anymore, and he was known as a somewhat unique drafter, so I wouldn't say that Floyd is set in stone as a top 10 pick just yet. Remember too that Pioli drafted a late 1st round graded 3-4 DE with the 3rd overall pick in 2009.

My opinion on Floyd hasn't changed. I don't see a lot of difference between Floyd as a 3-tech and guys like Kawann Short and Sly Williams. I do think that Floyd might be the best 3-4 DE in the draft though, so if Floyd's hype is real than I suspect that hype will be coming from 3-4 oriented teams.


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First 5 picks are as follows:

1 (25) - DT Sharrif Floyd - Florida
2 (58) - WR Terrance Williams - Baylor
3 (89) - LEO Brandon Jenkins - Florida State
4 (122) - TE Gavin Escobar - San Diego State
5 (133) - OLB Zaviar Gooden - Mizzou

I doubt anything close to this happens, but if it did.. how would you like it?


#1: Disappointed (Richardson, Werner, and Moore are the only DL I'd be excited about drafting at #25, and that's very unlikely to happen).
#2: Hate it.
#3: Great pick.
#4: Great pick. I doubt he lasts that long.
#5: Great pick. I doubt he lasts that long.


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Adding to it.. just selected Matt Scott, QB, Arizona with the 2nd fifth round pick.

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Adding to it.. just selected Matt Scott, QB, Arizona with the 2nd fifth round pick.


Now man, that's a pick I love. Gonna need him because I traded Matt Flynn
and our first rounder to (insert team name here) to move up and draft
Sheldon Richardson.

Gooden, not so much, chaser and play over runner, Curry II.
I'd rather have Patton than your guy at WR.

Really like the 3rd round pick though as well as Escobar
anywhere around where you took him.


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I actually really like the 2nd round pick of Williams. I dont think of all players this way, but with him, it's not so much what he can't do, but what he can do. IMO, he's one of the better sideline, deep receiver in this class. He's also shown he can make plays in the endzone and at 6'2 205, he has some good size with his deep speed.

You wouldn't want to work him over the middle, but place him on the outside in 3 or 4 man sets, I think he can provide huge plays down the field while opening up things in the middle for Rice, Tate, and Baldwin.

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