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Seahawksdraftblog.com released it's new mock draft today with the Seahawks selecting margus hunt, defensive end from SMU. If you don't know anything about margus hunt, he is a physical freak who could fall to the Seahawks due to his lack of football experience. He is from Estonia and trained to become a Olympian in discuss and shot put, he came to SMU on a track and field scholarship just before SMU dropped thier track and field program, he then earned a football scholarship. The guy is 6'8 280 lbs and can run a 4.6 forty, he has a 36" vertical, can bench 225 45 times, can power clean 385 lbs. the guy was named the number one physical freak in all of college football by CBS sports. He has the speed to play Leo, and the size to play at the 3 or 5 technique. He seems like someone pete Carroll and John Schneider would draft, I hope we draft him.


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Here's the link for the mock draft:
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Remind anyone else of JPP? A phsyical freak and late convert to football... he's working out well for the Giants.

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I would take JPP if I had to.


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He kind of reminds me of jj watt


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That site is run by theENGLISHseahawk, and is discussed in his mock draft thread. He's a great draft resource around here.


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He kind of reminds me of jj watt


Now thats a bold statement!

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He kind of reminds me of jj watt


Now thats a bold statement!


JJ Watt, if JJ had a vagina. It was SAD how much this dude liked to keep his uniform clean.

I appreciate his physical prowess. And appreciate how Hunt having such physical features make him a logical target, but, he's NOT a football player. Maybe he comes to the NFL and grows a mule? Maybe...


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Don't get lost in his numbers and size. For his size and the competition he played at SMU. He really struggles at setting the edge on outside running plays, and can get absolutely destroyed in the power run game.

You can attribute that to bad footwork, bad hands, not understanding leverage or lack of strengh, but the guy is a liablility in the run game. And with his size and the level he played at he shouldn't be.


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Don't get lost in his numbers and size. For his size and the competition he played at SMU. He really struggles at setting the edge on outside running plays, and can get absolutely destroyed in the power run game.

You can attribute that to bad footwork, bad hands, not understanding leverage or lack of strengh, but the guy is a liablility in the run game. And with his size and the level he played at he shouldn't be.


+1

Also, he shied away from ANY and ALL contact. He's as much of a football player as Jordan Kent or Carl Lewis were.


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Ive been railing on about this guy

"Have you guys checked out margus Hunt. He is raw but most of the guys we are showing around he are beating one guy or RB blocks. Margus is all over the line DT DE NT and beating triple teams, thats not a joke. Yeah he is raw as hell and played lesser teams but if he can beet a lesser triple team, I would bet he can beet a Tackle. Just screams PC JS to me. As a Leo or DT Not sure, as an absolute terror to block, yes!"
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I like him one day, then hate him the next.

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 Post subject: Re: Margus Hunt
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Ive been railing on about this guy

"Have you guys checked out margus Hunt. He is raw but most of the guys we are showing around he are beating one guy or RB blocks. Margus is all over the line DT DE NT and beating triple teams, thats not a joke. Yeah he is raw as hell and played lesser teams but if he can beet a lesser triple team, I would bet he can beet a Tackle. Just screams PC JS to me. As a Leo or DT Not sure, as an absolute terror to block, yes!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNUN-Sqj_Y

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I must be really bad at evaluating players. You see a beast - I see a guy loafing around shying away from contact. He has no desire to tackle anyone unless he can do it gently.


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Don't get lost in his numbers and size. For his size and the competition he played at SMU. He really struggles at setting the edge on outside running plays, and can get absolutely destroyed in the power run game.

You can attribute that to bad footwork, bad hands, not understanding leverage or lack of strengh, but the guy is a liablility in the run game. And with his size and the level he played at he shouldn't be.


+1

Also, he shied away from ANY and ALL contact. He's as much of a football player as Jordan Kent or Carl Lewis were.


I don't know if I'd go that far, but I do agree with sainthawk that he's going to be a liability. He doesn't seem to recognize screens and he lets himself get taken out of the play. A lot of the timidity I'm seeing looks like he's trying to play catch up with the game when it's not an obvious pass, and he does let himself get stood up pretty frequently. So I don't think it's fear of contact, but fear of failure.

That said, I'd love him in the 4th round. Not in the first.

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 Post subject: Re: Margus Hunt
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Here he is against Texas A&M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBBKibXTrs
Against 1st round talent and they still double him up.

SaintHawk29 I don’t see how "He really struggles at setting the edge on outside running plays, and can get absolutely destroyed in the power run game."
Constantly doubled and still doesn't lose much ground and even still gets pressure and penetration with regularity, he most certainly could use some sealing skills and gap integrity. Let me rephrase that yes he gets beat due to being undisiplined, No he doesn't get owned in power running.

PeHawk read where I saw "Raw as Hell". I also don't see beast in there either. He definitely has a lot to learn about leverage his footwork could use coaching, like I said he is raw. I will however point out he only has been playing football for 3 years. I do agree that he is not a tenacious pursuer and doesn't deliver devastating hits. Not saying spend a 1st rounder on him in fact I've stated there are only 4 players worth 1st round think 2009 draft

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in my opinion there are a couple guys worth the 1st pick in this draft. Only Star would have been top 10 last year.
Luke Joeckle
Star Lotulelei
Chance Warmack
Taylor Lewan
Jarvis Jones

This class is so weak IMO we may see a guard go in the top 5. Now JS/PC will most likely find 5 1st round draft choices in this draft and we will all scratch our heads again going how in the hell do they find these guys. Barkley and Smith might be the only QB's to go in the first round and I would not take smith as a QB, I wouldn't have taken Cam Newton either and that seems to be a fairly good pick so shows what I know. We might not see a RB go until late in the second. I think this is a D heavy draft with tons of value and depth but nearly no superstars kinda like 2009, where of the 12 Probowlers in the draft 5 are lineman, 2 are LB, 3 WR, 1 RB, 1 SS
I would say maybe 2 remotely have a shot at the hall. Of the first 3 rounds 17 are contributing starters. anyway I think this will be a draft like that. The NFL will build Hype and a lot of teams will end up with Arron Curry.


So since I dont think there are many worth it he is a good as any unless hopkins is available. I am just saying there is a ton to work with there and his physical attributes make him worth a pick to me. I'll say it again if he can consistently beat double and triple teams he can beat a tackle or a guard.


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 Post subject: Re: Margus Hunt
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Seahawk80, you cleary listed Hunt as #1, overall, on your big board. Dont try and deny that now.


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pehawk wrote:
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Ive been railing on about this guy

"Have you guys checked out margus Hunt. He is raw but most of the guys we are showing around he are beating one guy or RB blocks. Margus is all over the line DT DE NT and beating triple teams, thats not a joke. Yeah he is raw as hell and played lesser teams but if he can beet a lesser triple team, I would bet he can beet a Tackle. Just screams PC JS to me. As a Leo or DT Not sure, as an absolute terror to block, yes!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNUN-Sqj_Y

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I must be really bad at evaluating players. You see a beast - I see a guy loafing around shying away from contact. He has no desire to tackle anyone unless he can do it gently.


This is what I see too, sort of. He takes himself out of plays. If there are others around to make the tackle he just watches or if the RB is taking off to the other side he starts to slow down. BUT if he breaks the line on a passing play he's a MFing terror.


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I see him right now as a pass rush specialist. Can he develop? Absolutely. Does he has the size and atheletic ability to be a 3 down DE. Yes. One on One on the edge or inside against a guard he is a terror when he can pin his ears back and rush.

However, when tasked to stop the run, far to often is he pushed out of the play. He tends to play too high. At 6'8" he has good bend and can play with leverage when rushing the passer. He struggles with that bend when asked to anchor and stop the run.

IMO that is caused by one of two things. One, the lack of football knowledge causes him to play slow, and play high. Two, and most concerning it could be lack of effort. He has a tremendous motor when rushing however, i struggle to see the same effort when the play goes away, or the ball is run.


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Ok, The more I watch the more I see him man handling Tackles, Guards, RB's. Will you please supply a link of some video where he is getting Dominated in the run game or losing contain any of him just getting owned , cause I am not seeing it. I see him getting triple teamed against same schools and doubled against tier 1 schools. I can see he has some cleaning up to do but I do not see a POS you are describing.
TCU - more running
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I see him right now as a pass rush specialist. Can he develop? Absolutely. Does he has the size and atheletic ability to be a 3 down DE. Yes. One on One on the edge or inside against a guard he is a terror when he can pin his ears back and rush.

However, when tasked to stop the run, far to often is he pushed out of the play. He tends to play too high. At 6'8" he has good bend and can play with leverage when rushing the passer. He struggles with that bend when asked to anchor and stop the run.

IMO that is caused by one of two things. One, the lack of football knowledge causes him to play slow, and play high. Two, and most concerning it could be lack of effort. He has a tremendous motor when rushing however, i struggle to see the same effort when the play goes away, or the ball is run.


Good point, I absolutely agree he has leverage problems, and I think he does lack football knowledge, if he grew up playing rugby then I can see where he gets the slow down and watch the play develop from behind approach because in rugby it is all about staying in your lanes and staying home so this could be entrained in his mind and needs to be cleaned up. You know the more I think of that and watch again he does look like he is lining up to Ruck, although if that was the case I would expect him to be much more aggressive through the wistle. If he is nearly an Olympic Athelete I dont see him having a effort problem. Good point can't deside. Only 3 years experience in American Football wow long ways in a short time.
When you say pushed out of plays in the run do you equate that to over pursuit?

I do like his hands and use of them it seems to me he gets his hands extended often and keeps the blocker off of his body and he disengauges quickly, he also has counter moves when his speed rush doesn't work. Spin is OK, Swim is strong inside, long ass arms.
Footwork leaves alot to be desired as mentioned earlier, but I don't see him off balance or bending strange when blocked so does that mean he has bad feet or are they just slow. Did not notice the lack of leg size.

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It seem to me that he has trouble turning the corner, and takes poor angles in his pursuit. I'm not sure these things can be coached.

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IMO he has more moves that Irvin did coming out of college.

As far as getting pushed out of plays, I think in some instances it is over pursuit. But in general he struggles keep his body square at the line of scrimmage when pursuing the run half of the time. And it is impossible to anchor when you are sideways.

I want to clarify, I am not saying that he is a bad prospect, I am just pointing out concerns. As some of us fans see the 40 time and height and assume a player is the next coming.


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I kind of like my football players to ENJOY playing football. This dude has no interest.


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He looks like Jimmy Claussen.

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Scottemojo wrote:
He looks like Jimmy Claussen.


As much as I like to joke, I really dont like laughing, feels like I'm being smothered. So, I'm mad at you for that.

Jimmy Clausen likes to tackle though, so, be fair.


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did not notice that
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Don't get lost in his numbers and size. For his size and the competition he played at SMU. He really struggles at setting the edge on outside running plays, and can get absolutely destroyed in the power run game.

You can attribute that to bad footwork, bad hands, not understanding leverage or lack of strengh, but the guy is a liablility in the run game. And with his size and the level he played at he shouldn't be.


+1

Also, he shied away from ANY and ALL contact. He's as much of a football player as Jordan Kent or Carl Lewis were.



Dude...please...!!! THAT is just not true! Take a look at these clips and feel free to explain that remark. Hunt is # 92

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXIV8LYURsc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNUN-Sqj_Y


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Margus Hunt holds the NCAA record for blocked kicks.

10 FGs

7 PATs

Might have helped beat Atlanta on that last FG.

Just sayin....

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Umm, look at the first 2 plays of the Sheraton Bowl.


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Umm, look at the first 2 plays of the Sheraton Bowl.


UMMMmmm..... Nonsense!

Here is the whole game. Feel free to point out at min and second what the heck you are talking about.

First play Hunt not involved in the O's sweep left...he set up on the D's left side. Second play Hunt isn't involved in the knocked down pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlgwOUnBWE


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Hunt has looked like a too tall stiff board at the Senior bowl.

I will bet he is a 4th rounder right now.

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He'll be a first rounder, for SURE. "He's tall and white...hey isn't JJ Watt tall and white too?" will be the thinking.

Sorry Huggy, I see a dude loafing behind running plays.


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He'll be a first rounder, for SURE. "He's tall and white...hey isn't JJ Watt tall and white too?" will be the thinking.

Sorry Huggy, I see a dude loafing behind running plays.



I agree. He definitely has some rough edges. Thing is that he is crazy strong and fast..only played organized football for 4 years. If he is this good after only getting some college coaching I feel he has tremendous room and desire for improvement. There are plenty of plays(video clips) of him being agressive and throwing his body into tackles.

If all the dude could do is throw his 82" reach up off his 6' 8" frame and consistantly block FGs he could have been the guy that secured our trip to SF last weekend.

Also he has not developed the bad habits that some US born HS and College players have ingrained in their personal lives.

Just sayin.

I don't like him for a first rounder but if he slips to our second pick I'd take him. It's not like we couldn't use the odd blocked FG. LOL


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