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  • If I understand that correctly, the ESPN situation revolves around the fact that their articles are commercial in nature, and quoting substantial portions of an article have the effect of diminishing the market value their copyrighted work.

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  • Don't get too upset upon receiving that threatening letter. Their attorneys have got nothing else to do but to harass harmless sites like this. They're just flexing their muscles letting you know that you better not get too carried away with their material.

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  • Bigpumpkin wrote:Don't get too upset upon receiving that threatening letter. Their attorneys have got nothing else to do but to harass harmless sites like this. They're just flexing their muscles letting you know that you better not get too carried away with their material.

    Threatening posters with a 90 day suspension will only result in fewer posters and posts on this message board. Which I am sure is not your intention.


    If you got a letter from an ESPN corporate lawyer, I bet your feelings would be a tad different.
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  • I have a better solution.

    Block ESPN's IP addy so their little minions can't come on here and see what we're up to.
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  • Sturm wrote:I have a better solution.

    Block ESPN's IP addy so their little minions can't come on here and see what we're up to.


    I have an even better one.

    Simply do what we have been doing for years. Quote a paragraph or a few lines and link to the article. Its not them at fault but our posters! This isn't anything new boys and girls.

    Check out unsilent_majority's post on Eric Berry. A classic example of how to do it correctly. Gets the information out there for us to see but follows the copyright rules that have been in place in the media for years.

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  • Sturm wrote:I have a better solution.

    Block ESPN's IP addy so their little minions can't come on here and see what we're up to.


    Or yours?
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  • Sturm wrote:I have a better solution.

    Block ESPN's IP addy so their little minions can't come on here and see what we're up to.


    a) It's unlikely ESPN's corporate attorneys are in the same building, using the same internet connection
    b) ESPN's website is likely hosted at a data center off-premises, so the IP addresses - of which there will be several - wouldn't match what employees at their corporate headquarters are coming from, anyways
    c) You could just use a proxy server to get around this, anyways; or carry around a Verizon Wireless air card
    d) Even if you could block all the proper IPs/subnets/domains, that wouldn't prevent them from pulling up a cached copy on Google

    Those are just the first four reasons that popped into my head as to why that wouldn't work, and that's not even counting the ethical/moral/rule-following side of things, lol.
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  • I hate ESPN. Bunch of sniveling little babies. I mean really, having your lawyers harass a Seahawks fan site? I wonder if they harass the Steelers fan forums?
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  • Zowert wrote:I hate ESPN. Bunch of sniveling little babies. I mean really, having your lawyers harass a Seahawks fan site? I wonder if they harass the Steelers fan forums?

    Aluminum Foil Helmet.

    Is the issue really about not giving credit to the writer? Say its.... Sando's NFC west blog, and we paste one whole blog entry (all 2-3 paragraphs) or take a screencap of the blog, and link to the entry. Is that an issue?
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  • Sin on Sunday wrote:Is the issue really about not giving credit to the writer? Say its.... Sando's NFC west blog, and we paste one whole blog entry (all 2-3 paragraphs) or take a screencap of the blog, and link to the entry. Is that an issue?

    It's not just about giving credit to the writer, it's about respecting the rights of the copyright holder to disseminate their intellectual property the way they want to -- in the case of Sando's ESPN blog, those rights belong to both Sando and ESPN. (And their lawyers.)

    The forum rule prohibits copying entire articles. Even if an article only two or three paragraphs, find a way to copy a portion, summarize, and link it. It's not that hard.



    But for the record, I think your foil-hat comment was on the mark. I seriously doubt that ESPN lawyers would pick on Seahawk websites for copyright infringement and ignore copyright infringement on rustbucket websites just because they're rustbucket websites.
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  • In the future, just say... "I may or may not have some "insider" information re: the Seahawks. PM me if you'd like to see it.

    That works?
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  • So ESPN has nothing better to do than have people online 24/7 scouring the tens of thousands of sports forums on the internet for all the major sports specifically trying to find and interpret copied "insider" information, and just happened to find one single thing on this site and send a letter about it? That seems like a HUGE waste of money and resources to hunt down one tiny piece of information. . . not trying to say that it didn't happen, I just know the company I work for suffers from leaked information all the time but there is no way we would ever have the resources to scour the entire internet for this information and take the time to send out a cease and desist except in the most egregious offenses and we are a company with very few products unlike ESPN whom is only making very marginal supplemental gains with insider subscriptions, 99.5% of their income is via advertising. . .I'm shocked they are so protective.

    If they really ARE that anal about it the better option might be to just make the forums invisible to users who aren't logged in, I don't imagine they have the resources to actually take the time to create and confirm log-ins for the tens of thousands of NFL, MLB, NBA etc fan sites out there, that would be insane. I realize the 'just dont post it' approach is pretty easy for most people to follow but you're also at the mercy of having to catch it if it happens.
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  • I'd assume that they would be more likely to get panties in a bunch if someone were sharing their coveted "Insider" content. I think the forum rules (and the copyright laws) are both fair enough.
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  • What if you gave credit to the article like a college paper? Not trying to be a smart ass, just honestly curious if that is a legal middle finger response to them.
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  • There are 3 or 4 ways, MLA etc., that are completely legal to reference things. Having "insider access" is no different than paying for the right to read a book aka buying it. There are legal ways to reference everything, even in large chunks. They were completely blowing smoke if all they were saying is you cant copy anything. Anything with a proper reference is legal and they would be fools to not only bring such a trivial thing to court but know they were going to lose from the beginning.
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